I have been a linux user for more than 20 years, and a Debian user for a good 15 years now. For the first time, I feel like something is off. systemd feels like a Frankenstein that does not belong. It makes the system feel brittle and vulnerable.
Perhaps some more reading is in order. But I am also starting to look into things like Devuan.
Thoughts? Interesting takes and links?
That systemd Thing: A Debate With No Ending
https://eggflix.foolbazar.eu/videos/watch/dd6ab9d5-1ef9-4c35-91fa-e0885a1bcf50
Ok fam, after about a week of being a complete and utter newbie ingesting tutorials about #Linux I think I am finally understanding two things: what distros are, and that for some reason my brain will correlate ANY technical topic with food.
Linux is ice cream
Linux families are particular flavors of ice cream
And like ice cream, there’s basically certain core flavors, many specific flavors, and always the potential to invent new flavors. The ice cream landscape seems to break out something like this to a newbie:
Vanilla - Debian; French Vanilla - Ubuntu; Vanilla Bean - LMDE
Chocolate - Red Hat; Chocolate Chip - Fedora; Chocolate chocolate chip - Alma;
Fruit, Strawberry - Arch; Fruit, Peach or Cherry or pretty much any other fruit - any other Arch
Caramel - Gentoo; Vanilla Caramel Swirl - Redcore
Neapolitan and Spumoni - When you do super custom stuff like make Ubuntu have rolling release distro using Arch’s package system with Gentoo’s OpenRC for the init system
Exotic, like cucumber or ranch or avocado - Everything else that isn’t one of the other big buckets like SUSE, Solus, Quirky, LFS, Zeroshell, Vine, etc.
Nuts - Slackware (I mean this in an affectionate way, butter pecan is my fav!)
Gelato - BSD
Chocolate Gelato - Solaris
Like ice cream, Linux can have toppings too:
Sauce - init systems; and some people hate chocolate sauce - systemd
Whipped cream. Yeah sure there’s different brands and differences in texture or flavor a bit, but they’re basically all doing the same stuff - Packaging
Cherry - the GUI. It’s only there for looks, you could absolutely eat the ice cream without it, but most diners expect it on their sundae
Distros - An ice cream sundae. All the things (flavor, toppings, what it’s served in) are presented to you at once. Oooor some of the more lean ones are more like an ice cream cone
Eating a pint of ice cream right outta the freezer container - CLI
I'm now gonna try Arch Linux with inits I haven't tried/not yet familiar. I'm curious how it'll all go, lol.
I'm open for any suggestions on what inits to try other than OpenRC, runit, dinit, s6, and sysvinit cos I've already done those, but I'm also open to hear your thoughts and if I should also try them on Arch as well.
#arch #archlinux #linux #opensource #freesoftware #foss #busybox #openrc #runit #dinit #s6 #s6-rc #sysvinit
So, from my notes:
#voidlinux: symlink a service's name from /etc/sv/ to /var/service to enable a service then sv up & down will become available for that service.
#chimeralinux: dinitctl, kinda like systemctl
#devuan: update-rc.d <service> default to get it on the runlevels, then enable/disable to do fun things. Only do update-rc.d remove when the package is removed from the system.. Gotcha
7 seconds. Not bad, but look at that RAM usage...
220 MiB ! That's actually lightweight!
530 MiB with xorg+xfce 4.18. Still lightweight !
@krishean that's not how #systemd works.
SystemD was created because #SysVinit was shit and noone fixed it ir made something better.
#Wayland is the future as #Xorg is being #EoL'd.
For the shitty #GlibC we have alternatives like #bionic and espechally #musl!
How To List All Running Daemons In Linux #Linux #Daemon #Process #Initsystem #Systemd #SysVinit #OpenRC #Linuxcommands #Linuxbasics #Linuxhowto #Linuxadministration
https://ostechnix.com/list-all-running-daemons-in-linux/
Found an obscure #Linux #distro #side that appears to be unique. That is, makes its own toolchain, which is what crazy from #frugalware said defines a base distro. Side uses #pisi package manager, #sysvinit and features #LXDE based #SDE with #pekwm or #openbox window manager.
These odd little distros generally help #inxi find and handle corner cases it had missed. In this case didn't have pisi pm/SDE handled.
Wish I'd noticed side before inxi 3.3.37 went out but this always happens.
Episodio 41: Devuan
#devuan #FreeSoftware #gnu #GNULinux #linux #openrc #opensource #runit #sysvinit@joel I mean, #SystemD wasn't done by #Poettering because he had no hobbies - far from it.
SystemD, like #Wayland and #PipeWire is a "necessary evil" because the preexisting solutions are slow, not adaptive, cumbersome or just don't work well at all (i.e. mixed (#DPI & #HiDPI) screens with #X11 are just broken!
And I'm not saying that #sysvinit is more difficult or that #systemd is easier. Is that currently I don't have the time or motivation to search and read documentation to do something that I know how to do already in #systemd.
Then why did I try to install #Devuan? Because of curiosity, mainly. I thought "Why not try this now?" without too much consideration. I tend to take many life decisions with that mindset 
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I think I've become spoiled and/or too accustomed to #Systemd, because last Thursday I tried to switch my home server (an old netbook) from #Debian to #Devuan and I failed miserably. Not because it was too difficult, but because it was... tiring.
See, like many #Linux users, I like to mess around with computers and learn new things, but at this stage in my life I have other things to think about instead of configuring #sysvinit and learning again how to set up a service to run without login.
