Federated #instantMessaging, 100 % #debianized
2025-07-14 18:00..18:20 CEST
#DebConf25 #Brest, room Grand amphi
https://debconf25.debconf.org/talks/161-federated-instant-messaging-100-debianized/
Federated #instantMessaging, 100 % #debianized
2025-07-14 18:00..18:20 CEST
#DebConf25 #Brest, room Grand amphi
https://debconf25.debconf.org/talks/161-federated-instant-messaging-100-debianized/
For users who just want instant messaging & group-chat, is it worth mentioning Delta Chat?
It leverages email, so all it needs is for the user to make an email address for it, which is an achievable goal for most people.
Obviously I accept Signal is the easiest to "sell", because it has voice/video calling, and we can just say it's the one US cabinet members use, so it's sort of a "household name".
I am becoming increasingly doubtful of #Telegram's background and direction. #WhatsApp is owned by #Meta and just announced that it will introduce ads. So, it looks like I'm left with #Signal and #Matrix. The former has better UX, but it's centralized and US-based. The latter is a bit clumsy but decentralized and EU-based. Neither is perfect, but they are the closest to it for me.
WhatsApp Introduces Ads in Its App - They will appear in only one part of the Meta-owned messaging service, it said. The move ... - https://www.nytimes.com/2025/06/16/technology/whatsapp-ads.html #data-mininganddatabasemarketing #advertisingandmarketing #computersandtheinternet #mobileapplications #onlineadvertising #instantmessaging #metaplatformsinc #zuckerbergmarke #instagraminc #socialmedia #whatsappinc #facebookinc
Considering that both #XMPP and #Matrix re-invented #decentralized communication while #email was already there, makes #deltachat more interesting.
The fact that DC didn't invent a new protocol for #InstantMessaging and just used the protocol which was already there, and also that how far has it gone, is mind blowing.
At first when I was chatting with @treefit, I already was developing a Matrix client(#chooj) for #KaiOS and it was the only decentralized IM which I was using and investing resources into. I was skeptical but then I thought it would be a good idea to invest into DeltaChat, as well as Matrix. His argument, of course, wasn't good. He was arguing that we need multiple options in the case one of decentralized IMs fail. However this convinced me to give DC a try.
But now, I see that DC has very unique advantages no other messenger has. Their moto is "playing the long term" game. Unlike Matrix which suddenly exploded, DC moves very slowly. As an advantage, DC is much more consistent, hassle free, has less bugs(in my experience) and has better UI/UX than many Matrix clients. But it has got several disadvantages. Matrix has tons more features which DC hasn't got or has added them just recently such as editing messages and reactions. And it is not yet suitable for public groups, like the ones we've got in the Matrix network.
Overall, if you want secure chat with friends or family or other people you trust, DeltaChat is a very good option and the experience is very good. And I haven't seen something like #webxdc in any other IM. However if you want something like #Discord guilds for a community, Matrix is the way to go.
BTW, DC currently lacks funding, thanks to what #Trump did with #OpenTechnologyFund(#OTF). If you can help in anyway, financial or otherwise, it will be extra valuable at this point.
Edit:
BTW, here are websites of webxdc and DC:
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Telegram founder: France bans Pawel Durow from business trip to the USA
Telegram CEO under investigation in France can't leave without permission. His request to travel to the US was denied by French authorities amid ongoing probe.
Telegram-Gründer: Frankreich untersagt Pawel Durow Geschäftsreise in die USA
Gegen den Chef des Telegram-Messengers wird in Frankreich ermittelt, er darf nur mit Genehmigung ausreisen. Für einen Flug in die USA wurde die nicht gegeben.
Lately I'm having issues with #Signal. Messages are delivered up to 2 hours later. It looks like it happens more often on mobile networks compared to WiFi, but delays are experienced on the latter too.
What would be a valid IM app alternative? No products preferably.
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Spyware attack on WhatsApp: 168 million US dollars in damages for Meta
Because the NSO Group violated laws with spyware attacks on WhatsApp and caused costs for Meta, the company is to pay 168 million US dollars.
Spyware-Angriff auf WhatsApp: 168 Millionen US-Dollar Schadenersatz für Meta
Weil die NSO Group mit Spyware-Angriffen auf WhatsApp gegen Gesetze verstoßen und bei Meta Kosten verursacht hat, soll die Firma 168 Millionen US-Dollar zahlen.
Signal affair: Modified messenger ceases operation after second break-in
The US government uses a modified app to communicate by signal. It is called TeleMessage, has been cracked twice and closed for the time being.
Signal-Affäre: Modifizierter Messenger stellt nach zweitem Einbruch Betrieb ein
In der US-Regierung wird eine modifizierte App benutzt, um per Signal zu kommunizieren. Die heißt TeleMessage, wurde zweimal geknackt und vorerst dicht gemacht.
Signal affair: US government uses modified messenger – that was cracked
It was already known that the US government uses Signal extensively. Now there was a hint that this was probably done via a modified app. It was cracked.
Signal-Affäre: US-Regierung benutzt modifizierten Messenger – der wurde geknackt
Dass in der US-Regierung fleißig Signal benutzt wird, war bekannt. Nun kam der Hinweis, dass das wohl über eine modifizierte App geschieht. Die wurde geknackt.
Meta Says It Anticipates Continued Growth Despite Tariffs - The Silicon Valley company made the revenue projection as it reported a 35 percent rise i... - https://www.nytimes.com/2025/04/30/technology/meta-earnings-report.html #antitrustlawsandcompetitionissues #internationaltradeandworldmarket #advertisingandmarketing #mobileapplications #onlineadvertising #instantmessaging #metaplatformsinc #customs(tariff) #zuckerbergmarke #companyreports #smallbusiness #instagraminc #socialmedia
At Meta Antitrust Trial, Sheryl Sandberg Testifies About Competition and Instagram Deal - In her second day on the stand of a landmark antitrust trial over Meta’s power, Ms. Sandb... - https://www.nytimes.com/2025/04/17/technology/meta-antitrust-trial-sheryl-sandberg.html #mergersacquisitionsanddivestitures #antitrustlawsandcompetitionissues #computersandtheinternet #federaltradecommission #mobileapplications #tiktok(bytedance) #instantmessaging #metaplatformsinc #sandbergsherylk
heise+ | Sechs sichere Messenger im Vergleich
Schlicht oder verspielt, aber jedenfalls sicher? Wir vergleichen sechs Ende-zu-Ende-verschlüsselte Messenger mit unterschiedlichen Prioritäten und Konzepten.