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bjoern<p><span class="h-card" translate="no"><a href="https://cr8r.gg/@farooqkz" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">@<span>farooqkz</span></a></span> <span class="h-card" translate="no"><a href="https://chaos.social/@delta" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">@<span>delta</span></a></span> <a href="https://mastodon.social/tags/deltachat" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>deltachat</span></a> does not even have encrypted data. only providers may have encrypted data. in case of <a href="https://mastodon.social/tags/chatmail" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>chatmail</span></a> they are ephemeral by default, however. also, there is no group state or things like that</p>
Delta Chat<p>Transparency report: <a href="https://chaos.social/tags/deltachat" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>deltachat</span></a> gave out data for the following number of users in the last years: 0, nada, zilch. </p><p>granted, it helps to not have data to begin with :) </p><p><a href="https://chaos.social/tags/Telegram" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>Telegram</span></a> is the exact opposite: they have _all_ the data about users, message histories, contacts, group and channel memberships, phone numbers, media files, bot interactions etc .... all in the clear on their central server, ready to be grabbed. <br><a href="https://www.404media.co/telegram-gave-authorities-data-on-more-than-20-000-users/" rel="nofollow noopener" translate="no" target="_blank"><span class="invisible">https://www.</span><span class="ellipsis">404media.co/telegram-gave-auth</span><span class="invisible">orities-data-on-more-than-20-000-users/</span></a></p>
Jupiter<p>Don't forget there is now an Australian chatmail relay/server up and running folks.</p><p>Help spread the load and increase Delta's geographic foot print.</p><p>You know it make sense...</p><p><a href="https://chatmail.au/" rel="nofollow noopener" translate="no" target="_blank"><span class="invisible">https://</span><span class="">chatmail.au/</span><span class="invisible"></span></a></p><p><a href="https://gladtech.social/tags/delta" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>delta</span></a> <a href="https://gladtech.social/tags/deltachat" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>deltachat</span></a> <a href="https://gladtech.social/tags/chatmail" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>chatmail</span></a></p>
Delta Chat<p><span class="h-card" translate="no"><a href="https://troet.cafe/@pixelschubsi" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">@<span>pixelschubsi</span></a></span> <span class="h-card" translate="no"><a href="https://mastodon.social/@adbenitez" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">@<span>adbenitez</span></a></span> we use <a href="https://chaos.social/tags/chatmail" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>chatmail</span></a> to indicate a minimal mode to operate an e-mail server, namely as an ephemeral store-and-forward relay. On top of chatmail relays, <a href="https://chaos.social/tags/deltachat" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>deltachat</span></a> provides *always* end-to-end encrypted messaging and minimizes metadata visible to the relay. <br>Relays forget messages after download, or if a second device is added, after some set number of days. This ephemeral e2ee-only mode is indicated by "chatmail" see also the intro of <a href="https://delta.chat/en/2025-03-26-edit-and-delete-how" rel="nofollow noopener" translate="no" target="_blank"><span class="invisible">https://</span><span class="ellipsis">delta.chat/en/2025-03-26-edit-</span><span class="invisible">and-delete-how</span></a> .</p>
adb<p>grupo, en <a href="https://masto.es/tags/espa%C3%B1ol" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>español</span></a>, de <a href="https://masto.es/tags/gnu" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>gnu</span></a> <a href="https://masto.es/tags/linux" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>linux</span></a> y <a href="https://masto.es/tags/SoftwareLibre" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>SoftwareLibre</span></a> en <a href="https://masto.es/tags/DeltaChat" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>DeltaChat</span></a> , pueden unise aquí:</p><p><a href="https://i.delta.chat/#C2846EB4C1CB8DF84B1818F5E3A638FC3FBDC981&amp;a=stalebot1%40nine.testrun.org&amp;g=GNU%2FLINUX%20espa%C3%B1ol&amp;x=z592WpTUIeKOc-ehCbgR4V-0&amp;i=8ZcTFaLt2uNOEPLO_3G0Bxmx&amp;s=Qq7xb7J88Ex_GxgaOGS75HHp" rel="nofollow noopener" translate="no" target="_blank"><span class="invisible">https://</span><span class="ellipsis">i.delta.chat/#C2846EB4C1CB8DF8</span><span class="invisible">4B1818F5E3A638FC3FBDC981&amp;a=stalebot1%40nine.testrun.org&amp;g=GNU%2FLINUX%20espa%C3%B1ol&amp;x=z592WpTUIeKOc-ehCbgR4V-0&amp;i=8ZcTFaLt2uNOEPLO_3G0Bxmx&amp;s=Qq7xb7J88Ex_GxgaOGS75HHp</span></a></p>
adb<p><span class="h-card" translate="no"><a href="https://mastodon.social/@Daojoan" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">@<span>Daojoan</span></a></span> meet <a href="https://mastodon.social/tags/deltachat" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>deltachat</span></a> basically displaying email inboxes with a chat UI, and encrypting email without you even needing to know what encryption is</p>
luiseme ⁂ 🍉<p><span class="h-card" translate="no"><a href="https://masto.es/@aperalesf" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">@<span>aperalesf</span></a></span> Yo me desprendí de él hace un tiempo y, en algunos aspectos de mi vida, he de reconocer que es un inconveniente; desde luego no así en el plano laboral, donde agradezco no recibir mensajes en mi teléfono, sobre todo disponiendo de correo corporativo para ello. Pero en el plano "ocio" es más complicado, sobre todo a la hora de organizar cosillas entre varias personas y que, ni las llamadas telefónicas por poco prácticas, ni otras vías de comunicación sugeridas por mí (email, <a href="https://masto.es/tags/xmpp" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>xmpp</span></a>, <a href="https://masto.es/tags/deltachat" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>deltachat</span></a>...) por no cuajar en los demás, se me hace más cuesta arriba. Pero bueno, por ahora, resistiendo.</p>
Kontrabanda<p><strong>Moskiewski sąd odrzuca wyjaśnienia ze strony twórców komunikatora Delta Chat. “Nie możemy przekazać danych, których nie mamy” – twierdzą twórcy</strong></p><p>Delta Chat, który jest szyfrowanym komunikatorem opartym o e-maila, przegrał proces w moskiewskim sądzie, ponieważ nie przekazał danych żądanych przez Roskomnadzor — których z kolei twórcy Delta Chatu nie posiadali.</p><p><a href="https://kontrabanda.net/r/moskiewski-sad-odrzuca-wyjasnienia-ze-strony-tworcow-komunikatora-delta-chat-nie-mozemy-przekazac-danych-ktorych-nie-mamy-twierdza-tworcy/" rel="nofollow noopener" translate="no" target="_blank"><span class="invisible">https://</span><span class="ellipsis">kontrabanda.net/r/moskiewski-s</span><span class="invisible">ad-odrzuca-wyjasnienia-ze-strony-tworcow-komunikatora-delta-chat-nie-mozemy-przekazac-danych-ktorych-nie-mamy-twierdza-tworcy/</span></a></p><p><a rel="nofollow noopener" class="hashtag u-tag u-category" href="https://kontrabanda.net/t/cyberbezpieczenstwo/" target="_blank">#Cyberbezpieczeństwo</a> <a rel="nofollow noopener" class="hashtag u-tag u-category" href="https://kontrabanda.net/t/delta-chat/" target="_blank">#DeltaChat</a> <a rel="nofollow noopener" class="hashtag u-tag u-category" href="https://kontrabanda.net/t/facebook/" target="_blank">#Facebook</a> <a rel="nofollow noopener" class="hashtag u-tag u-category" href="https://kontrabanda.net/t/facebook-messenger/" target="_blank">#FacebookMessenger</a> <a rel="nofollow noopener" class="hashtag u-tag u-category" href="https://kontrabanda.net/t/informacje/" target="_blank">#Informacje</a> <a rel="nofollow noopener" class="hashtag u-tag u-category" href="https://kontrabanda.net/t/meta-platforms/" target="_blank">#MetaPlatforms</a> <a rel="nofollow noopener" class="hashtag u-tag u-category" href="https://kontrabanda.net/t/otwarte-oprogramowanie/" target="_blank">#OtwarteOprogramowanie</a> <a rel="nofollow noopener" class="hashtag u-tag u-category" href="https://kontrabanda.net/t/rosja/" target="_blank">#Rosja</a> <a rel="nofollow noopener" class="hashtag u-tag u-category" href="https://kontrabanda.net/t/roskomnadzor/" target="_blank">#Roskomnadzor</a></p>
adb<p><span class="h-card" translate="no"><a href="https://karlsruhe-social.de/@cehteh" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">@<span>cehteh</span></a></span> <a href="https://mastodon.social/tags/DOOM" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>DOOM</span></a> was one of the reasons the <a href="https://mastodon.social/tags/webxdc" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>webxdc</span></a> size limit was increased in <a href="https://mastodon.social/tags/DeltaChat" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>DeltaChat</span></a>, it was already ported back on 2023! read:</p><p><a href="https://support.delta.chat/t/proposal-remove-bump-xdc-file-size-cap/2828" rel="nofollow noopener" translate="no" target="_blank"><span class="invisible">https://</span><span class="ellipsis">support.delta.chat/t/proposal-</span><span class="invisible">remove-bump-xdc-file-size-cap/2828</span></a></p><p>if you search for "doom" you will find the download link, you need to rename the extension .zip to .xdc </p><p>fun fact: it was also ported by the same person that ported <a href="https://mastodon.social/tags/Quake" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>Quake</span></a>!!!<br><span class="h-card" translate="no"><a href="https://chaos.social/@delta" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">@<span>delta</span></a></span> <span class="h-card" translate="no"><a href="https://mastodon.social/@n0iroh" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">@<span>n0iroh</span></a></span></p>
F-Droid<p>This week in <a href="https://floss.social/tags/FDroid" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>FDroid</span></a> (TWIF) is live:</p><p>* <a href="https://floss.social/tags/Nextcloud" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>Nextcloud</span></a> store shenanigans<br>* <a href="https://floss.social/tags/Cheogram" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>Cheogram</span></a> in Space-s<br>* <a href="https://floss.social/tags/DeltaChat" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>DeltaChat</span></a> and <a href="https://floss.social/tags/ArcaneChat" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>ArcaneChat</span></a> fork<br>* <a href="https://floss.social/tags/FluffyChat" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>FluffyChat</span></a> feature full<br>* <a href="https://floss.social/tags/Tachiyomi" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>Tachiyomi</span></a> successor <a href="https://floss.social/tags/Kahon" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>Kahon</span></a><br>* <a href="https://floss.social/tags/Inure" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>Inure</span></a> <a href="https://floss.social/tags/reproducible" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>reproducible</span></a><br>* <a href="https://floss.social/tags/PasswordStore" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>PasswordStore</span></a> fork<br>* <a href="https://floss.social/tags/ReplicantOS" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>ReplicantOS</span></a> and <a href="https://floss.social/tags/NGI" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>NGI</span></a><br>* <a href="https://floss.social/tags/NewPipe" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>NewPipe</span></a> out of the 360p jail<br>+ 12 new apps<br>+ 195 updates</p><p>Go beyond clouds in <a href="https://f-droid.org/2025/05/15/twif.html" rel="nofollow noopener" translate="no" target="_blank"><span class="invisible">https://</span><span class="ellipsis">f-droid.org/2025/05/15/twif.ht</span><span class="invisible">ml</span></a></p>
desirable_dialogue<p>'The Chatmail (<a href="https://ni.hil.ist/tags/deltachat" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>deltachat</span></a>) servers require significantly lower resources to host users than Matrix – even less than <a href="https://ni.hil.ist/tags/XMPP" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>XMPP</span></a>.'</p><p>Less then xmpp sounds promising. Where can I read more about it?</p>
Den Datafag Trollmann :flag: I might be the only one who uses <a class="hashtag" href="https://shigusegubu.club/tag/deltachat" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#deltachat</a> as an email client
Delta Chat<p>Russian authorities continue to demand the impossible, namely that we give them user data we don't have. Today the Moscow City Court rejected our objections and sided with the communication surveillance authority Roskomnadzor and the Federal Security Buereau (FSB). Not too surprising. Many more details and next step considerations you can find in this press release </p><p><a href="https://merlinux.eu/press/2025-05-14-russia-deltachat.pdf" rel="nofollow noopener" translate="no" target="_blank"><span class="invisible">https://</span><span class="ellipsis">merlinux.eu/press/2025-05-14-r</span><span class="invisible">ussia-deltachat.pdf</span></a></p><p><a href="https://chaos.social/tags/deltachat" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>deltachat</span></a> <a href="https://chaos.social/tags/russia" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>russia</span></a> <a href="https://chaos.social/tags/e2ee" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>e2ee</span></a> <a href="https://chaos.social/tags/chatcontrol" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>chatcontrol</span></a></p>
desirable_dialogue<p><span class="h-card" translate="no"><a href="https://snac.el-hoyo.net/social/uhuru" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">@<span>uhuru</span></a></span> <br><a href="https://ni.hil.ist/tags/DeltaChat" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>DeltaChat</span></a> has no forward secrecy. <br>And depended on SHA-1 and using MD5.<br>Both are considered weak cryptography if I'm not mistaken. <br>While I believe deltachat to be a great app with good use case, it's not what I'm looking for. </p><p><a href="https://ni.hil.ist/tags/xmpp" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>xmpp</span></a> ecosystem is?/was! pretty bad in serving proper e2ee cross platform implementation.<br>Till recently there was only conversations as a usable app. Since some weeks ago it seems that <span class="h-card" translate="no"><a href="https://fosstodon.org/@dino" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">@<span>dino</span></a></span> now also offers e2ee by default. But also both conversations and Dino using an outdated omemo specification, and are by that not compatible with <span class="h-card" translate="no"><a href="https://fosstodon.org/@kaidan" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">@<span>kaidan</span></a></span>. <br>I will reconsider xmpp when they adapt the newer specification. </p><p><span class="h-card" translate="no"><a href="https://fosstodon.org/@briar" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">@<span>briar</span></a></span> not mentioned, but also no, cause it's not working on <a href="https://ni.hil.ist/tags/TailsOS" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>TailsOS</span></a> or on android with Orbot. <br>So very much unusable, since it's not running on the platforms we use. </p><p><a href="https://ni.hil.ist/tags/simplex" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>simplex</span></a>, no, I don't like nor trust the dev. </p><p><a href="https://ni.hil.ist/tags/cwtch" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>cwtch</span></a>, yes, maybe</p>
adb<p><span class="h-card" translate="no"><a href="https://ni.hil.ist/@desirable_dialogue" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">@<span>desirable_dialogue</span></a></span> <a href="https://mastodon.social/tags/DeltaChat" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>DeltaChat</span></a></p><p>see for example: <a href="https://autonomous.zone/@jowek/114499890311377970" rel="nofollow noopener" translate="no" target="_blank"><span class="invisible">https://</span><span class="ellipsis">autonomous.zone/@jowek/1144998</span><span class="invisible">90311377970</span></a></p>
uhuru<a href="https://snac.el-hoyo.net/social?t=deltachat" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#DeltaChat</a><br>decentralized, e2ee + can be used with any radical email provider.<br><br><a href="https://snac.el-hoyo.net/social?t=xmpp" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#XMPP</a> as 2nd option.<br><br>a more difficult (not effortlessly) 3rd option , <a href="https://snac.el-hoyo.net/social?t=cwtch" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#CWTCH</a><br>
jowek<p>Finally took the time to try out Delta Chat. (<a href="https://delta.chat/en/" rel="nofollow noopener" translate="no" target="_blank"><span class="invisible">https://</span><span class="">delta.chat/en/</span><span class="invisible"></span></a>) </p><p>WOW. So smooth. Onboarding in 5 seconds and a small simple tools for organizing. </p><p>This is what i been dreaming of as a community organizer.<br>Yesterday i onboarded 20 people, half of them 70 years +. And everyone agreed: normally im critically of new tech, but this is amazing, surprisingly intuitive, and it just works. </p><p>Thank you so much <span class="h-card" translate="no"><a href="https://chaos.social/@delta" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">@<span>delta</span></a></span> and all the developers making the small handy apps. </p><p><a href="https://autonomous.zone/tags/deltachat" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>deltachat</span></a></p>
adb<p><span class="h-card" translate="no"><a href="https://social.tchncs.de/@schnedan" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">@<span>schnedan</span></a></span> yeah one thing is the beauty of blah blah and another practical reality, most/all xmpp clients are no way close to the usability and user friendly level of WhatsApp and Telegram, heck, reactions started to be implemented in SOME xmpp clients "recently" and it is still half baked last time I tried, I am just answering your question about "why don't people just use xmpp?"</p><p>with <a href="https://mastodon.social/tags/DeltaChat" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>DeltaChat</span></a> you get the same advantages of decentralization while the app is better, that is my opinion</p><p><span class="h-card" translate="no"><a href="https://social.tchncs.de/@gerd" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">@<span>gerd</span></a></span></p>
adb<p><span class="h-card" translate="no"><a href="https://social.tchncs.de/@schnedan" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">@<span>schnedan</span></a></span> "xmpp works great" haha, yeah sure, people prefer <a href="https://mastodon.social/tags/WhatsApp" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>WhatsApp</span></a> and <a href="https://mastodon.social/tags/Telegram" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>Telegram</span></a> or even <a href="https://mastodon.social/tags/DeltaChat" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>DeltaChat</span></a> because the apps are better (UI/UX-wise) while <a href="https://mastodon.social/tags/xmpp" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>xmpp</span></a> doesn't have a concrete good brand/app that people can install and use and expect the same features everywhere (ex. iOS)</p><p>also it is easy to mess up and send unencrypted in XMPP, most groups are unencrypted because it is hard to get it working right in groups and multi-device</p><p><span class="h-card" translate="no"><a href="https://social.tchncs.de/@gerd" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">@<span>gerd</span></a></span></p>
adb<p>Heads up <a href="https://mastodon.social/tags/Linux" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>Linux</span></a>, <a href="https://mastodon.social/tags/OpenBSD" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>OpenBSD</span></a> and <a href="https://mastodon.social/tags/FLOSS" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>FLOSS</span></a> <a href="https://mastodon.social/tags/devs" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>devs</span></a> and enjoyers if you want to hang out with other like-minded folks here is a <a href="https://mastodon.social/tags/DeltaChat" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>DeltaChat</span></a> group for you:</p><p><a href="https://i.delta.chat/#C2846EB4C1CB8DF84B1818F5E3A638FC3FBDC981&amp;a=stalebot1%40nine.testrun.org&amp;g=FLOSS&amp;x=vVB1d8njR6Q-4eV_jiYuVSG1&amp;i=18aykBrUktg__JrvQtRrSyIz&amp;s=HBPdFWNjYr0vCnbAvE5KHagn" rel="nofollow noopener" translate="no" target="_blank"><span class="invisible">https://</span><span class="ellipsis">i.delta.chat/#C2846EB4C1CB8DF8</span><span class="invisible">4B1818F5E3A638FC3FBDC981&amp;a=stalebot1%40nine.testrun.org&amp;g=FLOSS&amp;x=vVB1d8njR6Q-4eV_jiYuVSG1&amp;i=18aykBrUktg__JrvQtRrSyIz&amp;s=HBPdFWNjYr0vCnbAvE5KHagn</span></a></p>
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