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Chuck Darwin<p>Trump's lawsuit against Ann Selzer is textbook <a href="https://c.im/tags/authoritarianism" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>authoritarianism</span></a></p><p>Reading the complaint in Donald Trump’s lawsuit against <br>pollster <a href="https://c.im/tags/Ann" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>Ann</span></a> <a href="https://c.im/tags/Selzer" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>Selzer</span></a> <br>over her 2024 poll that found Kamala Harris leading Trump in Iowa, <br>it’s hard not to give in to thoughts of how comically obscene it is. </p><p>The suit stretches the interpretation of the relevant law<br> — Iowa’s Consumer Fraud Act<br>— well past the breaking point. </p><p>It leans heavily on “facts” that are nothing but Trump quoting Trump about being mad. </p><p>It spends a good deal of time citing hard-right outlets like Breitbart as if they are neutral. </p><p>It’s hard not to laugh at how absurd it is. </p><p>-- But then you remember that ABC just gave Trump a total of $16 million rather than fight the paper-thin defamation lawsuit he brought against them. </p><p>And that even after ABC knuckled under, Trump still haslawsuits against CBS, Simon &amp; Schuster, and CNN. </p><p>And then you also remember that Trump has stated he’s going to use all his might <br>— and that of the government <br>— to bury media he doesn’t like.</p><p>All of this makes trying to rationally assess whether the lawsuit will succeed nearly impossible. </p><p>Trump can afford to go scorched earth whether his claims have any merit or not. </p><p>He has bottomless wealth, <br>particularly regarding legal fees, <br>as he’s made his donors cover at least $100 million of them so far. </p><p>He’s utterly unconcerned about whether something is true, <br>and he seems to have a never-ending stream of lawyers willing to step up <br>even though several have ended up facing sanctions, criminal charges, or both. </p><p>Put simply, he has no incentive to back down, ever.</p><p>All that being said, the lawsuit against Selzer is still straight-up trash, <br>even if it’s trash that somehow manages to succeed because of the unique blend of horrible characteristics exclusive to Trump</p><p><a href="https://www.publicnotice.co/p/trump-ann-selzer-lawsuit-explained?utm_campaign=post&amp;utm_medium=web" rel="nofollow noopener" translate="no" target="_blank"><span class="invisible">https://www.</span><span class="ellipsis">publicnotice.co/p/trump-ann-se</span><span class="invisible">lzer-lawsuit-explained?utm_campaign=post&amp;utm_medium=web</span></a></p>
Chuck Darwin<p>Trump’s retribution may focus on individuals, <br>but it’s a collective harm<br>-- So it makes sense to spread the cost of dealing with it.</p><p>In the wake of Donald Trump’s election victory and promised revenge tour, <br>a number of individuals have proposed the creation of an organization or fund <br>which would take on the job of defending the various lawsuits, prosecutions and generalized legal harassment Trump will bring to the table in the next four years. </p><p>It’s a very good idea. <br>It’s a necessary one. </p><p>So a few days ago I started reaching out to some people in the legal world and anti-Trump world to find out what’s going on, </p><p>whether any efforts are afoot and who is doing what.</p><p>What I found out is that there are at least a couple groups working toward doing something like this. </p><p>But the efforts seem embryonic. </p><p>Or at least I wasn’t able to find out too much. </p><p>The overnight news that Trump is now suing <a href="https://c.im/tags/Ann" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>Ann</span></a> <a href="https://c.im/tags/Selzer" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>Selzer</span></a> and the <a href="https://c.im/tags/Des" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>Des</span></a> <a href="https://c.im/tags/Moines" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>Moines</span></a> <a href="https://c.im/tags/Register" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>Register</span></a> over her final election poll for “election interference” makes me think that these efforts aren’t coming together soon enough <br>or can’t come together soon enough. </p><p>(If you’re not familiar with the details, Selzer is a pollster of almost legendary status <br>and in what turned out to be her final public poll, dramatically missed not only the result of the election but the whole direction of it.) </p><p>Let’s take the Selzer/Des Moines Register suit as our example. </p><p>Trump is claiming that he was damaged and should be made whole <br>because of a poll that showed him behind and turned out to be wrong. </p><p>His lawyers are trying to shoe-horn this claim into an Iowa consumer fraud statute. </p><p>But we shouldn’t be distracted by that. <br>The idea that a political candidate has a cause of action over a poll is absurd on its face. </p><p>And really that is precisely the point. </p><p>Trump casts penumbras of power and fear with talk; he holds public space; he keeps opponents off balance and guessing. </p><p>This is another example.</p><p>A lot of the power and point of such an exercise is precisely the absurdity of it. </p><p>It is meant to spur a chorus of “You can’t do that” and<br> “How can he do that?” </p><p>But he does do it. </p><p>We have that same mixture of outrage, incomprehension, uncanny laughter, <br>the upshot of which is an overwhelming and over-powering belief that the rules somehow don’t apply to this guy. </p><p>That’s his power and that is the point. </p><p>It is a performance art of power enabled by a shameless abuse of the legal system</p><p>Trump’s opponents need to learn to speak in that language. </p><p>Otherwise it’s a professional wrestling grudge match, <br>a taunt-fest with only one side taunting. </p><p>I fear some folks simply don’t get this dimension of what’s going on.</p><p> It’s not something you learn in law school and not in conventional, old-style politics either. </p><p>Defending the targets is key. But that’s not the only point or even the main one. </p><p>It’s about demonstrating the limits of Trump’s power and embarrassing him, President or not.</p><p><a href="https://talkingpointsmemo.com/edblog/a-big-pile-of-money-and-lawyering-to-defend-trumps-legal-targets" rel="nofollow noopener" translate="no" target="_blank"><span class="invisible">https://</span><span class="ellipsis">talkingpointsmemo.com/edblog/a</span><span class="invisible">-big-pile-of-money-and-lawyering-to-defend-trumps-legal-targets</span></a></p>
Nonilex<p><a href="https://masto.ai/tags/Selzer" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>Selzer</span></a>’s poll shows independent <a href="https://masto.ai/tags/women" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>women</span></a> backing <a href="https://masto.ai/tags/Harris" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>Harris</span></a> by 28pts, &amp; women 65+ backing her by 2-1. Speaking to Tim Miller of The Bulwark, Selzer speculated about what might have driven these numbers. “It was over the summer that <a href="https://masto.ai/tags/Iowa" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>Iowa</span></a>’s 6-week ban on <a href="https://masto.ai/tags/abortion" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>abortion</span></a> went into effect after all the court challenges were taken care of,” she said. Now, she said, people have been “living with it for a while.”</p><p><a href="https://masto.ai/tags/law" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>law</span></a> <a href="https://masto.ai/tags/RoeRage" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>RoeRage</span></a> <a href="https://masto.ai/tags/BodilyAutonomy" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>BodilyAutonomy</span></a> <a href="https://masto.ai/tags/ReproductiveRights" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>ReproductiveRights</span></a> <a href="https://masto.ai/tags/WomensRights" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>WomensRights</span></a> <a href="https://masto.ai/tags/WomensHealth" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>WomensHealth</span></a> <br><a href="https://masto.ai/tags/HarrisWalz2024" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>HarrisWalz2024</span></a></p>
Nonilex<p>The poll may easily turn out to be wrong; <a href="https://masto.ai/tags/Selzer" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>Selzer</span></a>’s record is as good as anyone’s in the business, but it’s not perfect. Should <a href="https://masto.ai/tags/KamalaHarris" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>KamalaHarris</span></a> win this <a href="https://masto.ai/tags/election" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>election</span></a>, though, the poll will be part of the story of her victory. The reason for Selzer’s anomalous finding is simple: <a href="https://masto.ai/tags/women" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>women</span></a>. If it’s anywhere near accurate, it suggests that conventional political wisdom has been seriously underrating the scale of women’s <a href="https://masto.ai/tags/fury" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>fury</span></a> over <a href="https://masto.ai/tags/abortion" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>abortion</span></a> bans &amp; their revulsion at <a href="https://masto.ai/tags/Trump" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>Trump</span></a>’s cartoonishly macho campaign.</p>
Nonilex<p>(<a href="https://masto.ai/tags/Trump" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>Trump</span></a> ended up winning <a href="https://masto.ai/tags/Iowa" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>Iowa</span></a> by &gt;9 points.) In 2020, her poll again showed Trump ahead by 7pts, which was both close to the final tally &amp;, in retrospect, a sign that <a href="https://masto.ai/tags/Biden" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>Biden</span></a>’s margins in neighboring states like <a href="https://masto.ai/tags/Wisconsin" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>Wisconsin</span></a> would be much thinner than other polls were indicating.</p><p>So many of us were anxious to see how big Trump’s lead would be this time, &amp; the fact that <a href="https://masto.ai/tags/Selzer" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>Selzer</span></a> instead found him <a href="https://masto.ai/tags/losing" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>losing</span></a> came as a shock.</p><p><a href="https://masto.ai/tags/women" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>women</span></a> <a href="https://masto.ai/tags/BodilyAutonomy" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>BodilyAutonomy</span></a> <a href="https://masto.ai/tags/ReproductiveRights" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>ReproductiveRights</span></a> <a href="https://masto.ai/tags/WomensHealth" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>WomensHealth</span></a> <br><a href="https://masto.ai/tags/HarrisWalz2024" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>HarrisWalz2024</span></a></p>
Nonilex<p>All day, <a href="https://masto.ai/tags/political" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>political</span></a> nerds had been waiting for the results of <a href="https://masto.ai/tags/AnnSelzer" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>AnnSelzer</span></a>’s famously accurate poll of <a href="https://masto.ai/tags/Iowa" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>Iowa</span></a>. The state hasn’t been swingy in a long time, but the <a href="https://masto.ai/tags/Selzer" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>Selzer</span></a> poll, conducted for The <a href="https://masto.ai/tags/DesMoinesRegister" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>DesMoinesRegister</span></a>, can offer clues about broader trends in the electorate. In 2016, when many <a href="https://masto.ai/tags/Democrats" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>Democrats</span></a> were feeling complacent about a <a href="https://masto.ai/tags/HillaryClinton" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>HillaryClinton</span></a> victory, her survey showing <a href="https://masto.ai/tags/Trump" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>Trump</span></a> leading by 7pts in Iowa was an early indication of his underestimated strength in the Midwest.</p><p><a href="https://masto.ai/tags/Women" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>Women</span></a><br><a href="https://masto.ai/tags/HarrisWalz2024" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>HarrisWalz2024</span></a></p>