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Kät´n´Toots (she/her)Heute hat der Chuck Norris der <a href="https://mastodon.social/tags/Soziologie" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#Soziologie</a> <a href="https://mastodon.social/tags/MaxWeber" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#MaxWeber</a> Geburtstag.<a href="https://mastodon.social/tags/K%C3%A4tToon" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#KätToon</a> <a href="https://mastodon.social/tags/Sociology" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#Sociology</a> <a href="https://mastodon.social/tags/Wissenschaft" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#Wissenschaft</a> <a href="https://mastodon.social/tags/Science" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#Science</a>

Dysmorphia💛🤍💜🖤I was going to blog about “there is nothing outside the text” but events overtook me and I wrote about the violence of the letter instead. No just kidding I wrote aboutThe state monopoly on violence: How it works and how it stops working<a href="https://rinsemiddlebliss.com/posts/2024-12-06-state-monopoly-on-violence/" rel="nofollow noopener" translate="no" target="_blank">https://rinsemiddlebliss.com/posts/2024-12-06-state-monopoly-on-violence/</a><a href="https://sfba.social/tags/blog" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#blog</a> <a href="https://sfba.social/tags/anarchism" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#anarchism</a> <a href="https://sfba.social/tags/MaxWeber" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#MaxWeber</a> <a href="https://sfba.social/tags/unitedhealthcare" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#unitedhealthcare</a>

Kät´n´Toots (she/her)Actually, it's more the Calvinist ethic.<a href="https://mastodon.social/tags/K%C3%A4tToon" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#KätToon</a> <a href="https://mastodon.social/tags/MaxWeber" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#MaxWeber</a> <a href="https://mastodon.social/tags/derGeistdesKapitalismus" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#derGeistdesKapitalismus</a> <a href="https://mastodon.social/tags/Soziologie" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#Soziologie</a> <a href="https://mastodon.social/tags/protestantischeEthik" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#protestantischeEthik</a> <a href="https://mastodon.social/tags/sociology" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#sociology</a> <a href="https://mastodon.social/tags/protestantethic" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#protestantethic</a> <a href="https://mastodon.social/tags/spiritofcapitalism" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#spiritofcapitalism</a> <a href="https://mastodon.social/tags/theProtestantEthicandtheSpiritofCapitalism" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#theProtestantEthicandtheSpiritofCapitalism</a> <a href="https://mastodon.social/tags/dieprotestantischeethikunddergeistdeskapitalismus" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#dieprotestantischeethikunddergeistdeskapitalismus</a> <a href="https://mastodon.social/tags/Geist" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#Geist</a> <a href="https://mastodon.social/tags/Spirit" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#Spirit</a> <a href="https://mastodon.social/tags/wortw%C3%B6rtlich" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#wortwörtlich</a> <a href="https://mastodon.social/tags/literally" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#literally</a>

einfachnurRoland<a href="https://norden.social/@SheDrivesMobility" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">@SheDrivesMobility</a> Ich glaube, die Macht der Wenigen liegt an der emotionalen und kognitiven <a href="https://nrw.social/tags/Pr%C3%A4krastrination" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#Präkrastrination</a> der Vielen.Und das Leistungsversprechen wurde schon von <a href="https://nrw.social/tags/MaxWeber" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#MaxWeber</a> beschrieben. Da gab es den <a href="https://nrw.social/tags/Neoliberalismus" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#Neoliberalismus</a> noch nicht.

Kät´n´Toots (she/her)Zum Geburtstag von <a href="https://mastodon.social/tags/MaxWeber" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#MaxWeber</a>, den Chuck Norris der <a href="https://mastodon.social/tags/Soziologie" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#Soziologie</a>, gibt's ne satirische Hommage an ihn.<a href="https://mastodon.social/tags/K%C3%A4tToon" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#KätToon</a> <a href="https://mastodon.social/tags/GeistDesKapitalismus" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#GeistDesKapitalismus</a> <a href="https://mastodon.social/tags/Idealtypus" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#Idealtypus</a>

Mediapart«Monopole de la violence légitime»: la foire aux contresens Le sociologue <a href="https://mastodon.social/tags/MaxWeber" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#MaxWeber</a> est régulièrement enrôlé dans des tentatives de minimisation ou de justification des <a href="https://mastodon.social/tags/ViolencesPolici%C3%A8res" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#ViolencesPolicières</a>. Il s’agit d’un détournement de son œuvre, alors que ces violences découlent précisément d’un défaut de légitimation du pouvoir actuel. › <a href="https://www.mediapart.fr/journal/politique/010423/monopole-de-la-violence-legitime-la-foire-aux-contresens" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">https://www.mediapart.fr/journal/politique/010423/monopole-de-la-violence-legitime-la-foire-aux-contresens</a>

Cultura Nova"Les prospérités du vice."Depuis le sociologue allemand Max Weber et son livre « L’Éthique protestante et l’esprit du capitalisme », on se représente le capitalisme comme ascétique, rigoriste, autoritaire, puritain et patriarcal. Et, depuis près d’un siècle, on se trompe. Comme le montre la lecture et la redécouverte de Bernard Mandeville, médecin et philosophe du XVIIIe siècle, et de sa « Fable des abeilles ».<a href="https://mastodon.social/tags/Culture" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#Culture</a> <a href="https://mastodon.social/tags/Philosophie" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#Philosophie</a> <a href="https://mastodon.social/tags/Capitalisme" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#Capitalisme</a> <a href="https://mastodon.social/tags/MaxWeber" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#MaxWeber</a> <a href="https://mastodon.social/tags/Economie" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#Economie</a><a href="https://www.monde-diplomatique.fr/2017/12/DUFOUR/58219" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">https://www.monde-diplomatique.fr/2017/12/DUFOUR/58219</a>

Klaus Pforr<a href="https://econtwitter.net/@khoavuumn" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">@khoavuumn</a> i would change to a sociology instance that has theory head emojis. <a href="https://mastodon.social/tags/maxweber" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#maxweber</a> <a href="https://mastodon.social/tags/marx" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#marx</a> <a href="https://mastodon.social/tags/simmel" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#simmel</a> <a href="https://mastodon.social/tags/luhmann" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#luhmann</a> etc

Éditions AgoneAprès deux années au cours desquelles sont restés indisponibles une demi-douzaine d’ouvrages, nous venons de lancer la réimpression de ces titres de fonds toujours demandés, et désormais inépuisables ! Passez vos commandes ! 📚😍 <a href="http://agone.org" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">http://agone.org</a><a href="https://mastodon.social/tags/editionsagone" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#editionsagone</a> <a href="https://mastodon.social/tags/r%C3%A9impression" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#réimpression</a> <a href="https://mastodon.social/tags/livres" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#livres</a> <a href="https://mastodon.social/tags/livre" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#livre</a> <a href="https://mastodon.social/tags/sociologie" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#sociologie</a> <a href="https://mastodon.social/tags/histoire" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#histoire</a> <a href="https://mastodon.social/tags/philosophie" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#philosophie</a> <a href="https://mastodon.social/tags/science" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#science</a> <a href="https://mastodon.social/tags/PierreBourdieu" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#PierreBourdieu</a> <a href="https://mastodon.social/tags/RogerChartier" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#RogerChartier</a> <a href="https://mastodon.social/tags/cassespopulaires" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#cassespopulaires</a> <a href="https://mastodon.social/tags/PCF" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#PCF</a> <a href="https://mastodon.social/tags/JacquesBouveresse" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#JacquesBouveresse</a> <a href="https://mastodon.social/tags/MaxWeber" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#MaxWeber</a>

Doc Edward Morbius ⭕Followup to my pinned Weber / Definition of Government thread:There's an excellent podcast examination of this here:<a href="https://play.acast.com/s/history-of-ideas/weberonleadership" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">https://play.acast.com/s/history-of-ideas/weberonleadership</a>Some earlier discussion: <a href="https://toot.cat/@dredmorbius/108541676665844169" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">https://toot.cat/@dredmorbius/108541676665844169</a>What the podcast doesn't get into is that the more modern abbreviated "monopoly on violence" form seems to originate with Murray Rothbard and was further popularised by Robert Nozick, both Libertarian philosophers / propagandists.(I strongly hesitate to apply the word "philosopher" to Rothbard. Nozick is not entirely undeserving.)<a href="https://toot.cat/tags/MaxWeber" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#MaxWeber</a> <a href="https://toot.cat/tags/LegitimateClaimToMonopolyOnViolenceInARegion" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#LegitimateClaimToMonopolyOnViolenceInARegion</a> <a href="https://toot.cat/tags/AllFiveTerms" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#AllFiveTerms</a> <a href="https://toot.cat/tags/MonopolyOnViolence" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#MonopolyOnViolence</a> <a href="https://toot.cat/tags/MonopolyOnCoercion" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#MonopolyOnCoercion</a>

Doc Edward Morbius ⭕Weber on PoliticsIn the event you've heard the famous dictum "government is the monopoly on violence" and want to know why that is missing three fifths of the definition.From the excellent "Talking Politics" podcast.<a href="https://play.acast.com/s/history-of-ideas/weberonleadership" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">https://play.acast.com/s/history-of-ideas/weberonleadership</a><a href="https://toot.cat/tags/MaxWeber" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#MaxWeber</a> <a href="https://toot.cat/tags/PoliticalTheory" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#PoliticalTheory</a> <a href="https://toot.cat/tags/Legitimacy" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#Legitimacy</a> <a href="https://toot.cat/tags/Podcasts" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#Podcasts</a> <a href="https://toot.cat/tags/TalkingPolitics" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#TalkingPolitics</a>

Doc Edward Morbius ⭕<a href="https://kosmos.social/@raucao" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">@raucao</a> The typical Libertarian misrepresentation is that the state claims "a monopoly on violence", vaguely handwaving at Weber.What Max Weber actually wrote was that for an organisation within a territorial area:<blockquote>A compulsory political organization with continuous operations will be called a "state" insofar as its administrative staff successfully upholds a claim to the monopoly of the legitimate use of physical force </blockquote><a href="https://archive.org/details/economysociety00webe/page/54/mode/1up?view=theater" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">https://archive.org/details/economysociety00webe/page/54/mode/1up?view=theater</a>Emphasis in the original.This gives a set of possible circumstances:<ul><li>No territorial control: not a state.</li><li>No legitimacy to the claim: not a state. (This includes arbitrary, inequitable, and/or nonsystematic use.)</li><li>No monopoly in legitimate use of force: not a state</li></ul>Absent a state, by Weber's definition, a geographic region lacks one or more of legitimacy or monopoly. Odds are quite high that violence in some form or manner will exist. What it will lack is accountability, systematic application according to accepted law, and legitimacy.And if some entity, hierarchical or self-organised, emerges within a region, which can successfully claim a legitimate monopoly to use of force, then whatever it calls itself (corporation, commune, anarcho-syndicate, ...), it is by Weber's definition a state.Best I can tell, the misrepresentation originates with Murray Rothbard in the early 1960s, though it's possible he picked it up elsewhere. Weber's works were just being translated and published in English at about that time.That's the critique against the "monopoly of violence" justification.NAP suffers numerous other defects, of course. Most of which is it's a self-justifying rationalisation and myth with no factual or empirical basis.<a href="https://cathode.church/@s0" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">@s0</a> <a href="https://toot.cat/tags/MaxWeber" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#MaxWeber</a> <a href="https://toot.cat/tags/MonopolyOnViolence" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#MonopolyOnViolence</a> <a href="https://toot.cat/tags/NAP" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#NAP</a> NonAggression <a href="https://toot.cat/tags/MurrayRothbard" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#MurrayRothbard</a> <a href="https://toot.cat/tags/State" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#State</a> <a href="https://toot.cat/tags/Libertarianism" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#Libertarianism</a>

Doc Edward Morbius ⭕Found it. <a href="https://toot.cat/tags/maxweber" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#maxweber</a> <a href="https://toot.cat/@dredmorbius/105521353688821677" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">https://toot.cat/@dredmorbius/105521353688821677</a>

Doc Edward Morbius ⭕re: Weber's Monopoly on LegitimacyThere's much else, of course, to consider, and this includes pointing out omissions and issues with the definition.Legitimacy in general cannot be merely asserted but is conferred, though not always willingly or consciously. Warlords and tyrants are conferred power through threats of or actual violence. Democracies and republics through will of the people expressed through votes. Theocracies based on the interplay of beliefs, rituals, and often, coercion, convincing, voting, or affirmation. Family and tribal units through birth or marriage into, tradition, and often simple acceptance. Sortition systems are based on chance, practice, and assent to both.There's also the questions of what governments do, to what ends, by what means, how consistently or coherently, and with what effect, which go beyond Weber's definition. But he does establish the basis on which this occurs.And of course, the mechanisms and consequences of loss or transfer of legitimacy, monopoly, or capacity to impose will.<a href="https://toot.cat/tags/MonopolyOnLegitimacy" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#MonopolyOnLegitimacy</a> <a href="https://toot.cat/tags/government" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#government</a> <a href="https://toot.cat/tags/MaxWeber" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#MaxWeber</a>

Doc Edward Morbius ⭕CWs and Weber's Monopoly on LegitimacyMax Weber defined government, in a much misinterpreted phrase, as "the only human community which lays claim to the monopoly on the legitimated use of physical force". ALL TERMS ARE SIGNIFICANT. Far too many readers focus on "use of physical force", but any playground bully, mean drunk, or capricious idiot can use violence. Government requires legitimacy, typically only bequeathed by the governed, and a monopoly on that legitimacy, meaning no other agent can make a countering claim within a given region.The definition is reflexive and tautological:<ul><li>An entity with a monopoly on the legitimate use of force is a government or state, regardless of what it calls itself.</li><li>A region with no monopoly on legitimacy is ungoverned.</li><li>An entity lacking legitimacy, regardless of what it calls itself, is not a government.</li></ul>Rather than casting this as a monopoly on force, it's far more useful to consider this a monopoly on legitimacy.The model is, as all models are, wrong. But it is, as some models are, also useful, in two principle ways.One is that it provides a useful lens through which to consider government, governance, and polity, stripped of most ideological or structural biases. We can ask how, or whether, a democracy, personality cult, autonomous collective, theocracy, dictatorship, representational republic, monarchy, company town, oligarchy, or other forms have legitimacy and/or monopoly over use of force.The other is that in being so widely misquoted, misinterpreted, and misrepresented, it is a highly useful bullshit filter for identifying those who are either ignorant of what they speak, or are intentionally attempting to mislead, in discussions of governance. This includes virtually all Rothbardian/Randian/Misian Libertarians and their "nonaggression principle", notably Charles Koch and Penn Gilette, both of whom explicitly cite this as the foundation of their belief. From a false premise all that follows is false. <a href="https://toot.cat/tags/MaxWeber" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#MaxWeber</a> <a href="https://toot.cat/tags/government" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#government</a> <a href="https://toot.cat/tags/MonopolyOnViolence" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#MonopolyOnViolence</a> <a href="https://toot.cat/tags/MonopolyOnLegitimacy" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#MonopolyOnLegitimacy</a> <a href="https://toot.cat/tags/libertarianism" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#libertarianism</a> <a href="https://toot.cat/tags/nap" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#nap</a>

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