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Jupiter Rowland"Finding the Joy in Alt Text" and how it's incompatible with my image descriptions; CW: long (almost 3,700 characters), Fediverse meta, Fediverse-beyond-Mastodon meta, alt-text meta, image description meta

Jupiter Rowland@<a href="https://mitra.social/users/weekinfediverse" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">Week in Fediverse :fediverse_light:</a> Also, <a href="https://fediversity.site/item/0d8c963e-b262-4154-9b00-141962917e7d?f=&zid=jupiter_rowland%40hub.netzgemeinde.eu" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">the 25.5.14 "15th anniversary" releases of the streams repository and Forte</a>. #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=FediMeta" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">FediMeta</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=FediverseMeta" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">FediverseMeta</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=CWFediMeta" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">CWFediMeta</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=CWFediverseMeta" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">CWFediverseMeta</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=Streams" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">Streams</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=%28streams%29" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">(streams)</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=Forte" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">Forte</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=WeekInFediverse" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">WeekInFediverse</a>

Jupiter RowlandHappy birthday Mike, and happy anniversary Mistpark and your whole family! Best wishes from Hubzilla (I've still Got Zot)! #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=FediMeta" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">FediMeta</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=FediverseMeta" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">FediverseMeta</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=CWFediMeta" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">CWFediMeta</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=CWFediverseMeta" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">CWFediverseMeta</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=HappyBirthday" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">HappyBirthday</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=Mistpark" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">Mistpark</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=Friendica" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">Friendica</a>

Jupiter Rowland@<a href="https://fosstodon.org/@fabrice" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">Fabrice Desré</a> @<a href="https://fosstodon.org/users/tuxdevices" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">TuxPhones :linux:</a> Ackchually... The AT protocol has yet to prove that its concept of portable identity works. In the meantime, @<a href="https://mitra.social/users/silverpill" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">silverpill</a> (creator and maintainer of <a href="https://codeberg.org/silverpill/mitra" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">Mitra</a>) has been working with @<a class="" href="https://fediversity.site/channel/mikedev" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">Mike Macgirvin 🖥️</a> (creator of a family tree of almost a dozen Fediverse server applications over a decade and a half, designer of two Fediverse protocols and inventor of <a href="https://joinfediverse.wiki/Nomadic_identity" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">nomadic identity</a> as early as 2012) to implement nomadic identity in ActivityPub since 2023. Previously, nomadic identity required the Zot or Nomad protocol. (Oh, and yes, it actually works, and it's being daily-driven by many <a href="https://joinfediverse.wiki/Hubzilla" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">Hubzilla</a> and <a href="https://joinfediverse.wiki/(streams)" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">(streams)</a> users right now.) In August, 2024, Mike launched <a href="https://codeberg.org/fortified/forte" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">Forte</a>, his most recent creation and the first Fediverse server application to entirely rely upon ActivityPub for nomadic identity. Nomadic identity via ActivityPub has been reality ever since. In March, 2025, Forte officially had its first stable release. So much about nomadic identity via ActivityPub being experimental. People are using it as their primary daily driver already. Just because Mastodon doesn't have it, doesn't mean ActivityPub doesn't, or the Fediverse doesn't. Unfortunately, I don't expect Mastodon to ever implement it. After all, the Mastodon devs have already practically rejected OpenWebAuth as well, another one of Mike's creations. (This comment was brought to you by a nomadic Hubzilla channel with one clone.) #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=Long" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">Long</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=LongPost" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">LongPost</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=CWLong" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">CWLong</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=CWLongPost" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">CWLongPost</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=FediMeta" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">FediMeta</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=FediverseMeta" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">FediverseMeta</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=CWFediMeta" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">CWFediMeta</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=CWFediverseMeta" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">CWFediverseMeta</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=ActivityPub" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">ActivityPub</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=Zot" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">Zot</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=Nomad" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">Nomad</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=Mitra" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">Mitra</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=Hubzilla" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">Hubzilla</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=Streams" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">Streams</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=%28streams%29" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">(streams)</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=Forte" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">Forte</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=NomadicIdentity" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">NomadicIdentity</a>

Jupiter Rowland@<a href="https://universeodon.com/@Holocluck" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">Holocluck Henly</a> Have you been Nicole'd? #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=FediMeta" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">FediMeta</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=FediverseMeta" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">FediverseMeta</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=CWFediMeta" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">CWFediMeta</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=CWFediverseMeta" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">CWFediverseMeta</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=Nicoled" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">Nicoled</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=NicoleTheFediverseChick" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">NicoleTheFediverseChick</a>

Jupiter Rowland@<a href="https://social.vivaldi.net/@ajsadauskas" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">AJ Sadauskas</a> <blockquote>I mean, the Fediverse already has Lemmy, KBin, and MBin. So there's already an ecosystem of pre-built communities out there.</blockquote> /kbin is dead. Has been since last year. The last instances that haven't moved to Mbin are withering away. However, in the "Lemmy clone" category, there's also PieFed, and Sublinks is still in development. Also, the Facebook alternative <a href="https://joinfediverse.wiki/Friendica" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">Friendica</a> ("Facebook alternative" not as in "Facebook clone", but as in "better than Facebook") has had <a href="https://dir.friendica.social/group" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">groups</a> since its launch in, 2010, five and a half years before Mastodon. <a href="https://joinfediverse.wiki/Hubzilla" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">Hubzilla</a> has had groups since 2012 when it still was a Friendica fork named Red. <a href="https://joinfediverse.wiki/(streams)" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">(streams)</a> (2021) and <a href="https://codeberg.org/fortified/forte" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">Forte</a> (2024) have groups, too. All four are part of the same software family, created by the same developer. And interacting with their groups from Mastodon is somewhat smoother than interacting with a Lemmy community. On Friendica, a group is simply another user account, but with different settings: In "Mastodon speak", it automatically boosts any DM sent to it to all its followers. In reality, it's a little more complicated because, unlike Mastodon, Friendica has a concept of threaded conversations. (No, seriously, Mastodon doesn't have it. If you think Mastodon has it, use Friendica for a year or two as your only daily driver, and then think again.) Likewise, on Hubzilla, (streams) and Forte, it's another <a href="https://joinfediverse.wiki/Channels_(Hubzilla_%26_(streams))" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">channel</a> with similar settings. CC: @<a href="https://sauropods.win/@futurebird" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">myrmepropagandist</a> @<a href="https://mastodon.social/@jasperb" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">Jasper Bienvenido</a> @<a href="https://mastodon.cc/@sebastian" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">sebastian büttrich</a> @<a href="https://pnw.zone/@Asbestos" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">Asbestos</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=Long" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">Long</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=LongPost" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">LongPost</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=CWLong" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">CWLong</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=CWLongPost" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">CWLongPost</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=FediMeta" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">FediMeta</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=FediverseMeta" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">FediverseMeta</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=CWFediMeta" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">CWFediMeta</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=CWFediverseMeta" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">CWFediverseMeta</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=Fediverse" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">Fediverse</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=FediverseGroups" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">FediverseGroups</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=Groups" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">Groups</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=PieFed" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">PieFed</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=Sublinks" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">Sublinks</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=Friendica" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">Friendica</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=Hubzilla" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">Hubzilla</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=Streams" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">Streams</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=%28streams%29" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">(streams)</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=Forte" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">Forte</a>

Jupiter Rowland@<a href="https://connectified.com/@masukomi" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">masukomi</a> @<a href="https://mastodon.social/@iFixit" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">iFixit</a> And this is only mostly a transcript of the spoken words. What if someone actually took upon themselves the effort to describe a video with a timestamped/timecoded combination of visual description, spoken word transcript and non-spoken word audio description? Especially if the visual description is on the same high level of detail that's expected in the Fediverse? CC: @<a href="https://mastodon.scot/@gunchleoc" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">GunChleoc</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=FediMeta" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">FediMeta</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=FediverseMeta" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">FediverseMeta</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=CWFediMeta" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">CWFediMeta</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=CWFediverseMeta" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">CWFediverseMeta</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=MediaDescription" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">MediaDescription</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=MediaDescriptions" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">MediaDescriptions</a>

Jupiter Rowland@<a href="https://mastodon.online/@joho" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">Joaquim Homrighausen</a> @<a href="https://cyberplace.social/@GossiTheDog" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">Kevin Beaumont</a> To be fair, full data portability via ActivityPub has only been available in a stable release of anything for two weeks. That was when @<a class="" href="https://fediversity.site/channel/mikedev" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">Mike Macgirvin 🖥️</a>'s <a href="https://codeberg.org/fortified/forte" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">Forte</a>, created in mid-August of 2024 as a fork of his own <a href="https://codeberg.org/streams/streams" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">streams repository</a> and the latest member of a family of software that started in 2010 with Friendica, had its very first official stable release. And, in fact, Forte just uses ActivityPub to do something that (streams) and its predecessors all the way to the Red Matrix from 2012 (known as Hubzilla since 2015) have been doing using the Nomad protocol (formerly known as Zot). It's called <a href="https://joinfediverse.wiki/Nomadic_identity" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">nomadic identity</a>. This is technology that's over a dozen years old on software that was built around this technology from the get-go, only that it was recently ported to ActivityPub. Now, nomadic identity via ActivityPub was @<a href="https://mitra.social/users/silverpill" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">silverpill</a>'s idea. He wanted to make his <a href="https://codeberg.org/silverpill/mitra" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">Mitra</a> nomadic. He started working in 2023. The first conversion of existing non-nomadic server software to nomadic still isn't fully done, much less officially rolled out as a stable release. If Mastodon actually wanted to implement nomadic identity, they would first have to wait until Mitra has a first stable nomadic release. Then they would have to wait until nomadic identity on Mitra (and between Mitra and Forte) has become stable and reliable under daily non-lab conditions. (Support for nomadic identity via ActivityPub on (streams) worked nicely under lab conditions. When it was rolled out to the release branch, and existing instances upgraded to it, it blew up in everyone's faces, and it took months for things to stabilise again.) Then they would have to look at how silverpill has done it and how Mike has done it. Then they would have to swallow their pride and decide to adopt technology that they can't present as their own original invention because it clearly isn't. And they would have to swallow their pride again and decide against making it incompatible with Mitra, Forte and (streams) just to make these three look broken and inferior to Mastodon. And only then they could actually start coding. Now look at how long silverpill has been working on rebuilding Mitra into something nomadic. This takes a whole lot of modifications because the concept of identity itself has to be thrown overboard and redefined because your account will no longer be your identity and vice versa. Don't expect them to be done in a few months. #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=Long" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">Long</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=LongPost" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">LongPost</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=CWLong" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">CWLong</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=CWLongPost" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">CWLongPost</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=FediMeta" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">FediMeta</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=FediverseMeta" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">FediverseMeta</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=CWFediMeta" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">CWFediMeta</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=CWFediverseMeta" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">CWFediverseMeta</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=Fediverse" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">Fediverse</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=Mastodon" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">Mastodon</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=Mitra" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">Mitra</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=RedMatrix" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">RedMatrix</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=Friendica" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">Friendica</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=Hubzilla" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">Hubzilla</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=Streams" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">Streams</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=%28streams%29" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">(streams)</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=Forte" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">Forte</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=DataPortability" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">DataPortability</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=NomadicIdentity" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">NomadicIdentity</a>

Jupiter RowlandLink to an article on what I've learned about describing images for the Fediverse; CW: Fediverse meta, Fediverse beyond Mastodon meta, alt-text meta, image description meta

Jupiter Rowland@<a href="https://mitexleo.one/@ml" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">Mitex Leo</a> Short answer: no. To my best knowledge, Hubzilla cannot import anything from Mastodon. No posts, no followed, especially no followers. (streams) can import CSV-formatted follow lists; I don't know if Mastodon can export them, or if Mastodon has its own proprietary follow list format. But (streams) cannot make your followers on Mastodon your followers on (streams) because it cannot make people follow you. Also, (streams) cannot import posts from Mastodon. Mass-importing 5,000+ connections from Mastodon to Hubzilla or (streams) would be a stupid idea anyway. You'd have to go through all of them and configure them. Yes, whereas Mastodon only has "I follow you" and "I don't follow you", Hubzilla and (streams) have extensive configuration options for connection. And you will need them. You'd have to edit 5,000+ connections, one by one, and <ul><li>assign them the appropriate contact role (Hubzilla)/permission role ((streams)) so that they have the right permissions (on Hubzilla and (streams), everything is permissions, and permissions are everything)</li><li>add them to one or multiple privacy groups (Hubzilla)/access lists ((streams)) (think Mastodon lists, but on lots of coke and 'roids; optional on Hubzilla, but highly recommended)</li><li>maybe also adjust the (optional) affinity (Hubzilla)/friend zoom ((streams)) slider</li><li>maybe even add lines to the (optional, but recommended) per-contact filter lists (you'll need to do this on Hubzilla to keep contacts from spamming you with boosts)</li></ul> Neither Hubzilla nor (streams) is something that you can join and use away on 100% bone-stock default settings just like that. And truth be told: If you give 5,000+ Fediverse actors full permissions to send you all their stuff, your unread activities counter (this exists, yes) will be up to "99+" every few minutes. I myself don't even have 100 active connections that are allowed to send me anything. On some of them, I filter boosts out. And yet, I get well over 100 unread activities per day that I have to catch up with. In fact, Hubzilla and (streams) will suck even more content onto your stream than Mastodon. That's because they support threaded conversations. They don't show you single posts. They show you whole threads, including comments by people whom you don't follow and who didn't mention you. I don't know if you follow Eugen Rochko. But if you do, imagine he posts something. 200 people reply. On Mastodon, you get Rochko's post. On Hubzilla and (streams), you get Rochko's post and 200 replies flooding onto your stream by and by. Seriously, if you really want to move to Hubzilla (or (streams)), start over from scratch. And go slowly instead of following shit-tons of people right off the bat to have your stream abuzz like on Twitter or Facebook. #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=Long" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">Long</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=LongPost" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">LongPost</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=CWLong" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">CWLong</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=CWLongPost" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">CWLongPost</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=FediMeta" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">FediMeta</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=FediverseMeta" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">FediverseMeta</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=CWFediMeta" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">CWFediMeta</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=CWFediverseMeta" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">CWFediverseMeta</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=Mastodon" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">Mastodon</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=Hubzilla" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">Hubzilla</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=Streams" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">Streams</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=%28streams%29" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">(streams)</a>

Jupiter RowlandWhen you still haven't noticed that the Fediverse is more than just Mastodon; CW: long (almost 600 characters), Fediverse meta, Fediverse beyond Mastodon meta

Jupiter Rowland@<a href="https://mastodon.social/@HistoPol" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">HistoPol (#HP) 🏴 🇺🇸  🏴</a> Truth be told, what we could need is a feature comparison between the various mobile apps and Friendica's Web frontend to see what covers what. I'm not quite sure if any Friendica app actually covers exactly 100% of Friendica's functionality. What they should cover is what's needed for daily driving. But I'm not sure if all of them cover, for example, all features of the built-in file manager and every last one of <a href="https://github.com/friendica/friendica-addons" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">Friendica's own optional add-ons</a>. An actually, absoutely fully-featured Friendica app would be voluminous. Not as huge as a (streams) app and not as massive as a Hubzilla app, but big. In the cases of some features, I'm not even sure how much sense they make in a mobile app. Would a mobile app need all configuration controls for the Web interface? And does it make sense for an iPhone app to brandish the full set of Friendica admin controls if it detects the logged-in account to be an admin account? Besides, in spite of its old age, Friendica is constantly changing and sometimes introducing new features. Third-party apps will have to keep up with core and add-on development. And once the now-growing Friendica community has settled in and attracted a few devs, and they discover that Friendica is so modular that it can attach third-party add-ons server-side, and they start developing third-party add-ons, mobile apps won't cover 100% of Friendica anymore anyway. #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=Long" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">Long</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=LongPost" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">LongPost</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=CWLong" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">CWLong</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=CWLongPost" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">CWLongPost</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=FediMeta" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">FediMeta</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=FediverseMeta" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">FediverseMeta</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=CWFediMeta" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">CWFediMeta</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=CWFediverseMeta" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">CWFediverseMeta</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=Friendica" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">Friendica</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=FriendicaApp" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">FriendicaApp</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=FriendicaApps" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">FriendicaApps</a>

Jupiter Rowland@<a href="https://infosec.space/@MsDropbear42" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">Droppie [infosec] 🐨:archlinux: :kde: :firefox_nightly: :thunderbird: :vegan:</a> Friendica apps are generally installed and work on your local device. Friendica's own frontend can be modified extensively with themes built into a node. But there are no full-blown third-party frontends that completely replace Friendica's built-in frontend like Phanpy fully replaces Mastodon's frontend or Mangane fully replaces Pleroma-FE and Akkoma-FE. Currently, the only platform that gives you a selection of alternative, third-party frontends that fully replace Friendica's frontend is Android because there are quite a few dedicated, native Friendica apps available for Android. On Windows or Linux, all you can do is install <a href="https://gitlab.com/mysocialportal/relatica" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">Relatica</a>. But it's an early and not entirely open beta, it's very incomplete and unfinished, and to my understanding, it still lacks important features. On a Mac or an iPhone, you're completely out of luck. Again, there's only Relatica which is just as unfinished and incomplete as on Android, Windows and Linux. But Relatica for macOS and for iOS is <a href="https://gitlab.com/mysocialportal/relatica/-/blob/main/beta-program.md" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">only available via TestFlight</a> which requires an account on <a href="https://gitlab.com/" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">GitLab</a> in order to get into contact with the Relatica developers. CC: @<a href="https://aus.social/@morebento" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">morebento</a> @<a href="https://mastodon.social/@_elena" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">Elena Rossini ⁂</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=Long" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">Long</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=LongPost" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">LongPost</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=CWLong" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">CWLong</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=CWLongPost" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">CWLongPost</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=FediMeta" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">FediMeta</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=FediverseMeta" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">FediverseMeta</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=CWFediMeta" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">CWFediMeta</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=CWFediverseMeta" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">CWFediverseMeta</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=Friendica" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">Friendica</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=FriendicaApp" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">FriendicaApp</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=FriendicaApps" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">FriendicaApps</a>

Jupiter Rowland@<a href="https://fedi.solibre.de/profile/wolf" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">wolf</a> Für viele ist das Fediverse weiterhin gleich Mastodon. Oder vielleicht noch mit Pixelfed und PeerTube drangeklebt, aber die sind ja auch nicht zum Diskutieren. Selbst jetzt, wo die Facebook-Fluchtwelle langsam rollt, leben die immer noch hinterm Mond und haben noch nie auch nur von Friendica gehört. Und was mir gerade jetzt auffällt, wo Pixelfed die Bude eingerannt und auch Friendica populärer wird: Sehr viele im Fediverse haben noch nicht geschnallt, daß die Fediverse-Anwendungen auch untereinander verbunden sind. Die glauben, "Fediverse" ist ein Sammelbegriff für dezentralisierte Dienste, die aber jeweils in sich geschlossene Netzwerke sind. Die Leute gucken doch wie die Autos, wenn sie von ihrem zwei Jahre alten Mastodon-Konto aus ihrem brandneuen Pixelfed-Konto folgen und das wider Erwarten sogar funktioniert. Und dann fragen sie vorsichtig, ob auch Mastodon und Friendica funktioniert, wo sie sich gerade als Facebook-Ersatz auch ein Konto angelegt haben. Oder, wenn sie das nicht mehr in Zweifel ziehen, ob es überhaupt sinnvoll ist, sowohl auf Mastodon als auch auf Friendica zu sein. #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=FediMeta" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">FediMeta</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=FediverseMeta" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">FediverseMeta</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=CWFediMeta" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">CWFediMeta</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=CWFediverseMeta" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">CWFediverseMeta</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=Fediverse" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">Fediverse</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=Mastodon" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">Mastodon</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=NichtNurMastodon" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">NichtNurMastodon</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=Pixelfed" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">Pixelfed</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=Friendica" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">Friendica</a>

Jupiter Rowland@<a href="https://anonsys.net/profile/caos" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">caos</a> <blockquote>Sollten nicht auch bestimmte Forensoftwares (Discourse?) mit dem Fediverse föderieren? Wie ist denn da der Stand?</blockquote> nodeBB 4 ist doch vor kurzem rausgekommen, die erste Version mit ActivityPub. Aber mal ehrlich, es gibt kaum etwas im Fediverse, was für Diskussionen schlechter ist als Mastodon. Auch wenn die, die nur Mastodon kennen, das nicht so sehen, weil sie es nicht besser wissen. #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=FediMeta" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">FediMeta</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=FediverseMeta" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">FediverseMeta</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=CWFediMeta" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">CWFediMeta</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=CWFediverseMeta" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">CWFediverseMeta</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=nodeBB" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">nodeBB</a>

Jupiter Rowland@<a href="https://mstdn.social/@TripleIris" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">Triple Iris</a> <a href="https://write.as" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">write.as</a> is only the "lighthouse instance" of a project named <a href="https://writefreely.org" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">WriteFreely</a>. And write.as requires payment AFAIK. I'm on WriteFreely myself. And it's pretty minimalist. WriteFreely doesn't support comments. Not at all. Also, if you want to embed images or other media, you have to host them elsewhere and then hotlink them. WriteFreely doesn't have a built-in file host. Both may be on the to-do list, but I don't know how high up they are. #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=Long" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">Long</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=LongPost" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">LongPost</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=CWLong" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">CWLong</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=CWLongPost" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">CWLongPost</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=FediMeta" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">FediMeta</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=FediverseMeta" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">FediverseMeta</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=CWFediMeta" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">CWFediMeta</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=CWFediverseMeta" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">CWFediverseMeta</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=WriteFreely" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">WriteFreely</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=Write.as" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">Write.as</a>

Jupiter Rowland@<a href="https://hachyderm.io/@juancho_me" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">Juancho</a> @<a href="https://mastodon.social/users/dansup" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">Daniel Supernault</a> Not the only one. Mike Macgirvin, the creator of Friendica and Hubzilla, has made a whole tree of at least (...counts...) nine forks after Hubzilla, eight of which were nomadic. Two of them still exist. One is intentionally nameless, intentionally brandless, intentionally not a project and intentionally released into the public domain. Since the community needed to address to it by something, they took the name of the code repository (which needed a name), put parentheses around it and called it <a href="https://codeberg.org/streams/streams" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">(streams)</a>. It's a fork (2021) of a fork (Roadhouse; 2021) of three forks (Osada, Mistpark 2020 a.k.a. Misty, Redmatrix 2020; 2020) of a fork (Zap; 2018) of maybe another fork (Osada; non-nomadic; 2018; if Zap was forked from Osada rather than directly from Hubzilla;) of Hubzilla. (streams) is reduced in features and connectivity in comparison with Hubzilla, but so were the first Osada and Zap. However, in terms of permission control and nomadicity, it's at least up-to-par with Hubzilla. In fact, it isn't quite as difficult to use as Hubzilla because permission handling has been adapted what the Fediverse of the 2020s actually requires as opposed to what a hypothetical Fediverse of the mid-2010s centred around the Red Matrix would require. I've made a series of tables that compare Mastodon, Friendica, Hubzilla and (streams). You can find them <a href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/item/0a75de76-eb27-4149-b708-f20b2f79d392" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">here</a>. The other still existing fork is <a href="https://codeberg.org/fortified/forte" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">Forte</a> from August, 2024. Forte is a direct fork of (streams). It's highly experimental because all support for the Nomad protocol was removed, and it has to rely on ActivityPub for nomadic identity. Thus, it is not officially released yet, it does not have public instances, and it is not recommended as a stable, reliable daily driver yet. #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=Long" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">Long</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=LongPost" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">LongPost</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=CWLong" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">CWLong</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=CWLongPost" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">CWLongPost</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=FediMeta" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">FediMeta</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=FediverseMeta" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">FediverseMeta</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=CWFediMeta" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">CWFediMeta</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=CWFediverseMeta" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">CWFediverseMeta</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=Fediverse" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">Fediverse</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=Mastodon" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">Mastodon</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=Friendica" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">Friendica</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=Hubzilla" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">Hubzilla</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=Streams" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">Streams</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=%28streams%29" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">(streams)</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=Forte" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">Forte</a>

Jupiter Rowland@<a href="https://friendica.world/profile/dandylover1" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">Georgiana Brummell</a> First of all, I've just noticed that you seem to not have joined the Friendica support forum yet. As far as I know, you can't post to a Friendica group/forum without fully connecting to it first. As for the accessibility issues: To most people, it appears like Friendica has only just been made since they haven't heard of it before mid-January. But actually, Friendica is from 2010. And its frontend is largely stuck in the early 2010s, including technologically. Friendica has always been a spare-time hobbyist project. It was mostly developed by one single man for almost two years. That guy is a protocol designer and not a frontend developer. Also, I think Friendica never had more than two regular developers, and it definitely never had any developer who really knows how to make a modern and appealing user interface. I mean, you've obviously never seen Friendica's user interface, but let me tell you that it's quite old-fashioned. It's just meant to do its job. Hobbyist, spare-time developers of such an extremely niche piece of software who are not trained in Web UI design normally don't know a thing about accessibility. And truly, they don't care. If the UI covers all features, and the users don't have to SSH or telnet onto the Web server to use it, it's often good enough. Friendica's regularly active user community has never been more than maybe a few thousand at a time, maybe even only a few hundred, as opposed to the over two million at which Mastodon has topped out. Thus, Friendica has never encountered blind or visually-impaired users yet. You can see it all over the place. Alt-text is not part of Friendica's culture. Some Friendica veterans staunchly refuse to describe their media because they think alt-text is another Mastodon fad that Mastodon fundamentalists want to force upon the whole rest of the Fediverse with Mastodon's entire culture. Alt-text, to them, is like limiting your posts to 500 characters. All this is why nobody has noticed yet that Friendica is not accessible at all. I've got a suspicion that Friendica can only be made fully accessible by throwing the entire Web frontend away, developing an entirely new one from scratch and then also making all-new themes for it. Also, it's only natural that TweeseCake doesn't support many of Friendica's features. As it looks to me, TweeseCake's Fediverse side is built against Mastodon and only Mastodon. If Mastodon doesn't have a feature, TweeseCake doesn't cover it either. Thus, TweeseCake probably only covers about 20% of Friendica's features because Mastodon doesn't have the other 80%. #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=Long" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">Long</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=LongPost" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">LongPost</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=CWLong" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">CWLong</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=CWLongPost" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">CWLongPost</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=FediMeta" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">FediMeta</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=FediverseMeta" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">FediverseMeta</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=CWFediMeta" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">CWFediMeta</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=CWFediverseMeta" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">CWFediverseMeta</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=Friendica" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">Friendica</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=TweeseCake" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">TweeseCake</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=A11y" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">A11y</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=Accessibility" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">Accessibility</a>

Jupiter Rowland@<a href="https://mastodon.social/@JustBobtholomew" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">JustBob</a> Discord has completely warped the term "server" for entire generations of Internet users. On Discord, "server" means "chatroom". In the Fediverse, "server" doesn't mean "chatroom". It means "<a href="https://www.geeksforgeeks.org/what-is-server/" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">server</a>". A computer. For example, <a href="https://www.trentonsystems.com/en-us/resource-hub/blog/what-is-a-rack-server" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">a rack computer with no screen and no keyboard and no mouse bolted into a server rack at a data centre</a>. Or <a href="https://www.xda-developers.com/turn-old-laptop-into-home-server/" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">an old laptop that someone had lying around</a> or <a href="https://www.raspberrypi.com/" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">a Raspberry Pi mini-computer</a> running at someone's home, connected to their landline. On each one of these, a big or small Twitter can be running (Mastodon). Or a wholly different Twitter (Pleroma, Akkoma, Misskey, Calckey, Firefish, Iceshrimp, Sharkey, Catodon, Meisskey, Tanukey, Neko...). (Here's the first important new thing for you to learn about the Fediverse: The Fediverse is not only Mastodon.) Or a Facebook with a side of a blog and a cloud server (Friendica, (streams), Forte). (Here's the second important new thing for you to learn about the Fediverse: The Fediverse is not only short-form microblogging. Look at this comment. Look at what I've done. Embedded links. Bold type. Impossible on Mastodon. But possible elsewhere in the Fediverse.) Or a Facebook meets WordPress meets Google Cloud Services meets even more stuff on top (Hubzilla; this is where I am). Or an Instagram (Pixelfed). Or a YouTube (PeerTube). Or a Twitch (Owncast). Or a Reddit (Lemmy, /kbin, Mbin, PieFed). Or a Goodreads (BookWyrm). Or whatever. There are over 150 different server applications in the Fediverse. mastodon.social, where you are, is only one of over 10,000 big and small Twitters of the same kind (Mastodon). If Mastodon was like Discord, all 10,000+ Mastodon servers would run in one and the same gigantic data centre in the USA, owned by Mastodon, Inc. And they would all be property of Mastodon, Inc. If the Fediverse was like Discord, all 30,000+ Fediverse servers would run in one and the same gigantic data centre in the USA, owned by Mastodon, Inc. And they would all be property of Mastodon, Inc. Also, they would be fully identical in functionality. But as I've said above: They're all running on their own separate machines. With their own separate owners. And the different server applications have different developers, and they are being developed independently from one another. Okay, now comes the kicker: These server applications are not walled up against one another. Not only are all instances of the same server applications (e.g. Mastodon) connected to each other, but all instances of one server application are also connected to all instances of all the other server applications. Imagine you're on Twitter. But your new friend is on Facebook. You can't follow a Facebook user on Twitter, and you can't follow a Twitter user on Facebook. In the Fediverse, you can. You can be on Twitter. And follow a Facebook user. Directly from Twitter. Without a Facebook account. Only that they aren't named Twitter and Facebook in the Fediverse. Twitter is named Mastodon or Pleroma or Akkoma or Misskey or Calckey or Firefish or Iceshrimp or Sharkey or Catodon or... There are dozens of Twitter alternatives in the Fediverse. Well, and Facebook is named Friendica or Hubzilla or (streams) or Forte. You can be on Mastodon. And you can follow Friendica accounts. From Mastodon. Without a Friendica account. This comment is a very good example. You are on <a href="https://joinmastodon.org" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">Mastodon</a>, created by @<a href="https://mastodon.social/users/Gargron" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">Eugen Rochko</a> in 2016 as an alternative to Twitter that aimed to be as close to Twitter as possible. The server that you're on, <a href="https://mastodon.social" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">mastodon.social</a>, is owned by Mastodon, Inc. and running on one or multiple rack servers in San Francisco, California, USA owned by <a href="https://fastly.com" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">Fastly</a>. I am on <a href="https://hubzilla.org" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">Hubzilla</a>, created by @<a class="" href="https://fediversity.site/channel/mikedev" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">Mike Macgirvin 🖥️</a> in 2012 by forking his own <a href="https://friendi.ca" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">Friendica</a> from 2010, and currently mainly maintained by @<a class="" href="https://hub.somaton.com/channel/mario" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">Mario Vavti</a> and @<a class="" href="https://hub.volse.no/channel/harald" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">Harald Eilertsen</a>. Hubzilla has got nothing to do with Mastodon whatsoever. It started out as an alternative to Facebook, but not a clone, rather better than Facebook, with full-blown long-form blogging capability and a built-in file storage, and it has been enhanced greatly in functionality even beyond that. The server that I'm on, <a href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/siteinfo" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">Netzgemeinde</a>, is owned and administered by @<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/channel/buckaroo" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">Mark Nowiasz</a>, who has no affiliation with the Hubzilla developers, and running on a rack server in Nuremberg, Germany owned by <a href="https://www.netcup.com/en" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">Netcup</a>. And yet, you can see this comment coming from Hubzilla on Mastodon. #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=Long" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">Long</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=LongPost" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">LongPost</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=CWLong" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">CWLong</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=CWLongPost" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">CWLongPost</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=FediMeta" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">FediMeta</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=FediverseMeta" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">FediverseMeta</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=CWFediMeta" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">CWFediMeta</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=CWFediverseMeta" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">CWFediverseMeta</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=Fediverse" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">Fediverse</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=Server" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">Server</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=Instance" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">Instance</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=Mastodon" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">Mastodon</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=Pleroma" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">Pleroma</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=Akkoma" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">Akkoma</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=Misskey" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">Misskey</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=Forkey" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">Forkey</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=Forkeys" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">Forkeys</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=Calckey" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">Calckey</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=Firefish" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">Firefish</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=Iceshrimp" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">Iceshrimp</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=Sharkey" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">Sharkey</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=Catodon" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">Catodon</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=Meisskey" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">Meisskey</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=Tanukey" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">Tanukey</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=Neko" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">Neko</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=Friendica" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">Friendica</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=Hubzilla" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">Hubzilla</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=Streams" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">Streams</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=%28streams%29" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">(streams)</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=Forte" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">Forte</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=Pixelfed" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">Pixelfed</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=PeerTube" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">PeerTube</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=Owncast" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">Owncast</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=Lemmy" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">Lemmy</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=%2Fkbin" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">/kbin</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=Mbin" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">Mbin</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=PieFed" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">PieFed</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=BookWyrm" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">BookWyrm</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=NotOnlyMastodon" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">NotOnlyMastodon</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=FediverseIsNotMastodon" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">FediverseIsNotMastodon</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=MastodonIsNotTheFediverse" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">MastodonIsNotTheFediverse</a>

Jupiter Rowland@<a href="https://mastodon.world/@sheiladebonis" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">Sheila DeBonis</a> Good news: <a href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/item/0a75de76-eb27-4149-b708-f20b2f79d392" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">The Mastodon/Friendica/Hubzilla/(streams) comparison tables are mostly done.</a> I'll just tweak them every now and then. #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=FediMeta" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">FediMeta</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=FediverseMeta" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">FediverseMeta</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=CWFediMeta" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">CWFediMeta</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=CWFediverseMeta" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">CWFediverseMeta</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=Fediverse" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">Fediverse</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=Friendica" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">Friendica</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=Hubzilla" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">Hubzilla</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=Streams" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">Streams</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=%28streams%29" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">(streams)</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=Facebook" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">Facebook</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=FacebookAlternative" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">FacebookAlternative</a>

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