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@Ben Werdmuller What Bluesky is planning to do with the AT protocol looks like nomadic identity as ordered from Temu.

And nomadic identity is not a vague concept. It isn't futuristic technology either. It has been reality in the Fediverse for longer than Mastodon has been around. It was invented by @Mike Macgirvin ?️ in 2011 and then implemented in his own Zot protocol. Zot, in turn, was first implemented in 2012 in a project named Red, later the Red Matrix, known since 2015 as Hubzilla. And almost everything that Mike has made after Hubzilla had or still has nomadic identity implemented.

I'm writing to you from Hubzilla right now, so yes, it's very much part of the Fediverse. It's a rock-solid daily driver with a stable release (9.4.3).

Nomadic identity does not do away with a domain being part of your ID. What it does away with is the connection between account and identity and the connection between server and identity.

Nomadic identity means that your identity with everything that belongs to it (profile, posts, comments, DMs, connections, files, settings etc. etc. pp.) is no longer bound to any one Fediverse server. It can exist on multiple servers simultaneously. Not as dumb copies, but as clones. Bidirectional, live, hot backups in near-real-time.

Your identity always has one main instance which also lends the domain name. In addition, it can have one or multiple copies on different servers of your choice. Your accounts only serve to grant you access to the instances of your identity on a specific server. The main instance and the clones are constantly sync'd against each other in both directions. For example, after I've sent this comment, it was mirrored over to my clone.

Notice how I've written "bidirectional". For I can also log into my clone and use it just the same as my main instance. This is useful for when the server with my main instance on it is offline. When it comes back online, everything that has happened on my clone in the meantime is being sync'd to the main instance.

Granted, Mastodon and most of the rest of the Fediverse don't understand nomadic identity. When I post from my clone, they take my clone as an independent account with the ID jupiter_rowland@hub.hubzilla.de. But Hubzilla and (streams) do understand nomadic identity. Whatever comes from my clone, they'll correctly identify as being sent by jupter_rowland@hub.netzgemeinde.eu in spite of not coming from hub.netzgemeinde.eu.

Even "moving instances" is greatly facilitated. For example, if the server with the main instance of my channel shuts down permanently, I can make my clone my new main instance. That's easy-peasy: two mouse clicks and some 15 minutes of letting things settle, also because Hubzilla will have to go around and change all my connections from jupiter_rowland@hub.netzgemeinde.eu to jupiter_rowland@hub.hubzilla.de. On the remote side, on people's Hubzilla and (streams) servers.

You've read that right: If you move, nomadic identity makes your nomadic followers automatically follow you at your new home. What's beyond science-fiction on Mastodon has been daily-driven reality on Hubzilla since its inception in 2015.

While nomadic identity currently only has stable support via Mike's Zot and Nomad protocols and on Hubzilla and (streams), its implementation using only ActivityPub has been in the making since last year.

CC: @glyn

#Long #LongPost #CWLong #CWLongPost #FediMeta #FediverseMeta #CWFediMeta #CWFediverseMeta #Fediverse #DecentralizedIdentity #DecentralisedIdentity #NomadicIdentity #ActivityPub #Zot #Nomad #Hubzilla #Streams #(streams)
joinfediverse.wikiWhat is nomadic identity? - Join the Fediverse
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@Strypey A few more details:

* FEP-ef61: Portable Objects

https://codeberg.org/fediverse/fep/src/branch/main/fep/ef61/fep-ef61.md

Invented in, I think, 2023 by @silverpill for Mitra (based on ActivityPub). Currently implemented there and in @Mike Macgirvin ?️'s streams repository and Forte. Part of the plan to introduce almost Nomad-level, but cross-project nomadic identity to ActivityPub.

* FEP-61cf: The OpenWebAuth Protocol

https://codeberg.org/fediverse/fep/src/branch/main/fep/61cf/fep-61cf.md

Invented in 2018 by Mike Macgirvin for Zap (Zot6 development platform; discontinued 2022). Backported to Hubzilla in 2020. Full server-side and client-side implementation only in Hubzilla (based on Zot6, also supports ActivityPub etc.), (streams) (based on Nomad, also supports Zot6 and ActivityPub) and Forte (based on ActivityPub). Friendica has a client-side implementation. Mastodon has a client-side implementation pull request that has to be merged eventually.

CC: @Laurens Hof

#Long #LongPost #CWLong #CWLongPost #FediMeta #FediverseMeta #CWFediMeta #CWFediverseMeta #Fediverse #Friendica #Hubzilla #Zap #Streams #(streams) #Forte #Zot #Zot6 #Nomad #ActivityPub #FEP #FEP_ef61 #FEP_61cf #DecentralizedIdentity #NomadicIdentity #OpenWebAuth #SingleSignOn
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@glyn Decentralised identity has been available for longer than Mastodon, let alone ActivityPub. Only that it is known as "nomadic identity" here.

It was first implemented by Friendica creator @Mike Macgirvin ?️ in the Zot protocol in 2011 and in a Friendica fork named Red in 2012, later renamed into the Red Matrix, eventually reworked and renamed into Hubzilla in 2015.

Proof: This Hubzilla channel of mine actually simultaneously resides on two servers.

(Almost) everything that Mike has made afterwards, forks and forks of forks of Hubzilla, used to have or still have nomadic identity implemented.

His streams repository contains a fork of a fork... of Hubzilla that intentionally has no name, and that offers nomadic identity via the Nomad protocol with better compatibility with non-nomadic ActivityPub. In July, it had decentralised IDs as per FEP-ef61 (see also here) implemented, a first step by Mike to fully implement nomadic identity in ActivityPub.

Forte, Mike's most recent fork from August, had all support for Nomad and Zot6 removed and only uses ActivityPub anymore while still offering nomadic identity. To my best knowledge, however, it has yet to be declared stable enough to be daily-driven, and it has no public instances.

Other than all this, a non-public development version of @silverpill's Mitra has nomadic identity via ActivityPub in development. I'm not sure whether FEP-ef61 is implemented in the release version yet. It's the only Fediverse project aiming to implement nomadic identity which Mike Macgirvin has nothing directly to do with.

The ultimate goal is to be able to clone a Fediverse identity across project borders. Only considering stable releases, it's currently only possible to clone Hubzilla channels within Hubzilla, using Zot6, or (streams) channels within (streams), using Nomad.

Unfortunately, Mike has officially retired from Fediverse development and only occasionally submits code to the streams repository and Forte anymore.

#Long #LongPost #CWLong #CWLongPost #FediMeta #FediverseMeta #CWFediMeta #CWFediverseMeta #Fediverse #DecentralizedIdentity #NomadicIdentity #ActivityPub #FEP_ef61 #Zot #Zot6 #Nomad #Hubzilla #Streams #(streams) #Mitra
joinfediverse.wikiWhat is nomadic identity? - Join the Fediverse
Oh, that would be great. Maybe #Mastodon is getting nomadic Identities.

We Distribute: #^Oh, Zot! Nomadic Identity is Coming to ActivityPub

Even if you’ve been a part of the Fediverse for a long time, you’d be excused if you had never heard of Nomadic Identity. Within the confines of Mastodon, it’s a relatively unknown concept. But, for some of us, it’s something of a pipe dream: decentralized identity management with remote access control. On paper, that doesn’t sound too exciting, but it’s a huge concept. Even more exciting: the guy who designed it is bringing it to ActivityPub.


#Fediverse #Zot #Hubzilla
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Thank you for the optimistic PoV on the entrance of others to the #DeSoc of the Fediverse. It is an optimism that I share - especially with Matthias' announcement just an hour ago that his team behind the development of the #WordPress ActivityPub plugin has just released version 2.0.0 - considering the enormous footprint of WordPress installations across the entire Internet belonging to both common, everyday individuals and companies alike, of every shape and size, this is HUGE news.

It instantly, overnight, positions common folks and businesses to leap into the freedoms afforded them by the existing, privacy respecting, #FOSS based Fediverse that hitherto was... well, a bit of a leap for them psychologically. But now they have a familiar platform with which to begin a journey through the minefields of the deprecated, privacy mining, monolithic silos; its proprietors programming their masses of #subjugated_chattel into livestock holding pens, where they are weighed, measured, packaged, placed into inventory, and sold.

That does raise the issue of an error in your assertions however. You mentioned, "instances in Meta's fediverses and on Bluesky".

The truth however, the reality, is that each are merely a single instance - One big monolithic silo, as described above, with the same incentives of monetization through privacy mining techniques that have made them the dreadnoughts that they are; at least in the case of #Meta (Threads).

Bluesky is of that vertically scaling market as well, but much smaller than the #Faceplant and #InstaSPAM engines operated by Meta, and now their new spearhead into the DeSoc space occupied by ActivityPub and other decentralized or federated protocol based, horizontally scaling instances.

#Bluesky hasn't actually shown their hand yet to the general public, but already, they've disenfranchised (fired) much of their talent; some, actually principal architects of their monolith who were frustrated and disillusioned with the direction Jay has been taking the company - moving further and further away from the disowned public community they spawned, organized, and abandoned following the initial trials and tests of the open source preview version of what became #ATP protocol (ATX).

Even Jack has moved on and embraced yet another horizontally scaling protocol in the DeSoc space, #nostr, and it's already bridged and interoperating flawlessly with the ActivityPub powered portion of the Fediverse, which in turn interoperates with instances running other protocols such as #Nomad, #OStatus, #Streams, #Diaspora, and #ZOT... all of them part of the Fediverse.

Many of the extant #ActivityPub powered instances in the Fediverse merely need to install these capabilities with a couple of clicks to enable this interoperability, while others bridge the divide through infrastructure developed and deployed over the past year or so.

What will be Meta's use case here for their business product?

That's the main question I think folks need to address - not punish the good people on the so-called evil side of the divide, the hitherto subjugated chattel that populate Marks so-called Metaverse or whatever he thinks he can compel people to adopt and endure. The point is, childish, domain level blocking by juvenile minds operating ActivityPub powered #Fediverse server instances only serves to paint themselves (and the users who have to date trusted those admins with being told what they can and cannot see and do) into a corner where they effectively cancel themselves, and find that their users have migrated to other spaces... maybe WordPress, where they truly control their own destiny in the DeSoc space and can now fully participate and engage with others - but on their own terms, not someone else's.

And that, I believe, is what the whole thing has always been about, going back as far as #AngelFire and #GeoCities :)

I do agree with you that we should indeed embrace these common, everyday individuals who, through their programmed ignorance, are mostly clueless as to exactly what the Fediverse is, and more importantly, has always promised for them. This is an opportunity, like Steve Austin, (the Six Million Dollar Man): "We can rebuild them, we have the technology, we can make them better, stronger, faster..."

One more thing I should correct you on, the Fediverse is an internetwork of networks, on the Internet - there are no fediverses, Fediverse is itself a plurality, but your intent wasn't lost on me.

Great article, I enjoyed the read and most of all, your optimistically tempered intent. Thanks for sharing and I hope to see much more from you in the future!

#tallship

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I'm seeing an awful lot of Threads sourced nuggets espousing the virtues of, along with optimism surrounding, the #Fediverse lately.

This seems a bit sus to me, like a concerted outreach effort on the part of Meta/Faceplant and a few other largish, commercial actors to popularize their ulterior motives of domination by... Ahem, normalizing the concepts of #DeSoc and more specifically, the ActivityPub powered spaces in the Fediverse.

I actually dunno who MDBHD or John Oliver are, but I'm certain that they're no Oprah, although it would be nice if she would weigh in on the critical mass achieved to date in the adoption of Fediverse technologies that are #FOSS based, and #Privacy respecting.

To date, *Privacy has been of primary consideration and motivation in the development community surrounding the #ActivityPub powered platforms in the Fediverse, but the questionable players entering from the horizontally scaling decentralized social networking industry have, as of late, been overwhelmingly of the deprecated, privacy disrespecting, monolithic silo persuasion. These monolithic-ally inclined companies hailing from vertically thinking companies are an expected, yet suspect group of *privacy mining experts, sophomorically (sic) wading into the deep end of a demographic consisting mostly of privacy minded* individuals and notable developers of the FOSS based portions of the software world.

<tangent> These industrial surveillance engines are already back on their heels as they venture into what many warn as an #EEE incursion - but truth be told, already too late to the game to subjugate, assimilate us: #Diaspora #ZOT #nostr #Nomad #Matrix #TOR #Yggdrasil #I2P #IPFS / #IPNS and others, including blockchain based so-called #Web3 solutions with baked in privacy considerations at the protocol layer are being *Bridged to interoperate with each other and ActivityPub in the Fediverse at rates which the purveyors of industrial surveillance machinery must invariably only describe as "alarming rates" - that's good news for the average schmoes of the world like you and I. </tangent>

So why are we, just in the past few weeks, seeing so much attention given to the Fediverse by these #juggernauts, perhaps #dreadnoughts, that for so long have exhibited such great restraint and avoidance of the mere utterance of Fediverse, ActivityPub, or even alluding to the notions of Decentralization? There's certainly a particular spin in their delivery, leveraging third parties that obfuscate their participation in the dissemination of their, Great News.

Speaking of Dreadnoughts, just how was it that the great Bismarck was taken out? Remember? The outgunned and outmatched Royal Navy took out her port rudder! ⛵ 💥

It was the end of an era. A rudder post. The Bismarck was doomed to circle her watery grave.

But I digress...

Make no mistake, obscuring the lines between the privacy respecting FOSS based camps that have historically steered the direction of DeSoc has taken, and the deprecated, proprietary silo companies which have based their entire existence upon advertising and industrial surveillance models that I refer to as The Sunnyvale Syndrome family of data mining engines, is now seeping through the cracks of a clear delineation between these two prinicples - that of uncompromising privacy and open source development and that of proprietary, closed source subjugation methodologies leveraging **YOU as the product in inventory*.

Feel free to boost and share your comments at length here. A million people other than myself are here in the Fediverse and are really interested in just what kind of impact the introduction of these traditionally privacy raiding Industrialists will have upon their... scratch that, our future online safety.

tl;dr: Your very private, personal medical history and data (and that of your minor children, in violation of FERPA regulations) is being wholesaled and auctioned off by the so-called "Big-Tech" entrants and hopefuls that are at this very time knocking on the front door of the ActivityPub portions of Fediverse... Tread lightly, and consider how your every move going forward affects the unwitting consent to farm and sell your most confidential personal information.

it is up to you - it is your choice to affirm or deny - whether industrial surveillance is your birthright to embrace or your nemesis to destroy... You, We, have that power to decide.

#tallship #Privacy #Sunnyvale_Syndrome #meta #HIPAA #PHI #FERPA h/t to: @liaizon

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RT: https://social.wake.st/users/liaizon/statuses/111714899199909225

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tl;dr: Hubzilla has had at least some of this for over a decade now. And it won't replace any of it with a new standard tailor-made for Mastodon.

@silverpill If you look past projects based on ActivityPub and at projects that have ActivityPub as an additional protocol, some of this already exists.

- Data portability. In my opinion, this is the most important problem. I'm in favor of FEP-ef61, which also solves identity portability and unlocks many new features.

Exists in the shape of nomadic identity. Invented by @Mike Macgirvin 🖥️ in 2011 with his Zot protocol and first deplayed in 2012 with the Red Matrix, nowadays known as Hubzilla. Also available on (streams), Mike's current project at the end of a string of forks from Hubzilla, now based on the Nomad protocol.

Mike would like to see nomadic identity and other special features of the Zot and Nomad protocols included in the ActivityPub protocol. He has actually submitted a number of proposals for this. They were all rejected. Even though he is a protocol developer first and foremost, and he has both created and worked on more Fediverse protocols than anyone else, so he should be considered competent.

Nomadic identity with ActivityPub won't come unless either Evan Prodromou and the W3C commission cave in and allow Mike's suggestions, or someone re-invents the wheel from scratch in a way that's utterly incompatible to Hubzilla and (streams). And it won't come to Mastodon unless Eugen Rochko can imply that Mastodon has had it first.

And there will never be a nomadic identity standard that meets Mike's requirements as well as Eugen's wishes.

- End-to-end encryption. MLS has become a standard, and it would be wise to adopt it. Issue 3 at fediverse-ideas provides a good overview of what we have at the moment (not much). Some variation of FEP-ae97 is likely needed to make end-to-end encryption work.

AFAIK, all three of Mike's still existing projects, Friendica from 2010, Hubzilla from 2012/2015 and (streams) from 2021, have it. Optionally, but still. I think Friendica actually advertises military-grade encryption.

- Plugins. Something like Pleroma MRF, but cross-platform (e.g. Wasm-based). Also, pluggable timeline algorithms.

Friendica, Hubzilla and (streams) have had support for add-ons, including third-party add-ons, plus a number of official add-ons since their respective inceptions. If you want a cross-platform add-on standard, I hope you don't expect these three to throw their own standards over board in favour of the new standard. Otherwise, good luck developing a replacement for Pubcrawl that makes Zot-based Hubzilla compatible with ActivityPub while working on ActivityPub-based Mastodon just the same. Friendica, Hubzilla and (streams) rely on add-ons for all federation beyond their respective base protocols (DFRN, Zot, Nomad).

- Groups. We have several competing standards for groups: FEP-1b12, FEP-400e, Mastodon developers are working on their own standard. It would be nice to converge on a single standard, that also supports private groups.

Friendica, Hubzilla and (streams) have had support for discussion groups/forums since their respective inception. On Friendica, a group is a user account with special settings; on Hubzilla and (streams), it's a channel with special settings. In addition, especially Hubzilla and (streams) have access permission control on a level that most people for whom the Fediverse is only ActivityPub couldn't imagine in their wildest dreams. All three can be used by users from all over the Fediverse already now.

Good luck forcing Friendica to give up its 13-year-old standard that's used by Fediverse News, just to name one, and Hubzilla to give up its 11-year-old standard that blows everything else but what (streams) does out of the water. Good luck forcing them to adopt something inferior.

On the other hand, good luck forcing Lemmy and /kbin to switch to a wholly different standard. Don't forget that these two exist as well. And good luck having the Fediverse outside of Hubzilla and (streams) adopt both server-side and client-side OpenWebAuth.

And I'm not even talking about how different Fediverse projects handle threads differently. Mastodon has a Twitter-like thread structure: many posts, tied together with mentiones. Just about everything that's built on ActivityPub has taken this over. Friendica, Hubzilla and (streams) have a Facebook/blog/Tumblr-like thread structure: one post, the start post, and many comments which aren't posts. It's similar on Lemmy and /kbin which are Reddit clones, only that they don't allow thread starters to moderate their own threads.

- Quoting. FEP-e232 is a proposed standard, but most fediverse applications still use non-standard properties. Mastodon developers are trying to invent something completely different.

This is something that almost the whole Fediverse has implemented, save for Mastodon.

And again, Friendica has had quotes since its inception in 2010, almost six years before Mastodon was launched (which, by the way, federated with Friendica and Hubzilla on the spot). Hubzilla has had quotes since 2012, inherited from Friendica. Their way of quoting is dead-simple: BBcode. [quote][/quote] (streams) supports Markdown and HTML in addition to BBcode, but otherwise it's the same.

Oh, and by the way: Friendica, Hubzilla and (streams) have also supported quote-posts a.k.a. quote-tweets a.k.a. quote-toots a.k.a. quote-boosts from their very beginnings.

- Markets. So far there's only one server implementation capable of processing payments.

At least two. Hubzilla has a payment add-on, too. It isn't installed on all hubs, but it's there.

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Summary card of repository fediverse/fep
Codeberg.orgfep/fep/ef61/fep-ef61.md at mainfep - Fediverse Enhancement Proposals
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@Hrefna (DHC) @Johannes Ernst All this has already been covered years before there even was ActivityPub, namely with the Zot protocol from 2011 and its first implementation, the Red Matrix from 2012 which became Hubzilla in 2015.

Zot was designed with two features in mind which the current ActivityPub-based Fediverse doesn't cover: advanced permission control and instance-independent ownership of all your data. The latter was made possible by so-called nomadic identity which allows you not only to move your channel from instance to instance with ease, but to actually have your channel on multiple instances simultaneously. The former ranges from a new single-sign-on system named OpenWebAuth to a blog-like/Tumblr-like/Facebook-like one-post-many-comments thread model inherited from Friendica, but which now allows the thread starter to moderate their own threads, including deleting comments.

Zot eventually evolved into Nomad which is even more advanced and the base protocol of a slimmed-down Hubzilla descendant commonly referred to as (streams) which takes especially permission control even further.

Before someone asks: Both have always been bidirectionally federated with Mastodon & Co. In fact, one advancement of (streams) is that ActivityPub compatibility no longer only comes from an add-on, but it's tied deeply into the core now.

@Mike Macgirvin 🖥️, an experienced communications protocol designer who single-handedly created all of this, had actually also tried to advance ActivityPub to something that'd follow his ideas of what a good federated protocol should be capable of. AFAIK, all of his ideas were turned down. This is the only reason why he keeps developing and maintaining a separate protocol: The Federated Web desperately needs features which whoever has the power over ActivityPub stubbornly refuses to even consider, let alone implement.

#Long #LongPost #CWLong #CWLongPost #Fediverse #ActivityPub #Zot #Hubzilla #Nomad #Streams #NomadicIdentity
social.coopJohannes Ernst (@J12t@social.coop)6.64K Posts, 837 Following, 1.78K Followers · Technologist, founder, organizer. Let's put people back in control of their technology. The Fediverse is a good start. Also wondering aloud where we are taking this planet. Check out my home page for more info and links. He/him. tfr
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@Tokyo Outsider (337ppm) If that's so, then the issue lies in Hubzilla's very concept. And that concept is at least about four years older than #Mastodon. It became reality either in 2012 when #Friendica was forked into the largely re-written #RedMatrix from which #Hubzilla would emerge in 2015, and that was still almost a year before Mastodon came out. Or that concept is even as old as the #Zot protocol which is from 2011.

The decision that was made was to not throw Hubzilla's basic concept and its fine-grained access permission control system away just to make it less confusing for Mastodon users. A concept into which Mike Macgirvin had invested four years of work. The same Mike Macgirvin who had created Friendica from nothing to a 1.0 release within four months.
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@Mike Weston @Tim Chambers Come to think of it, #Hubzilla has a built-in "app" for federated bookmarks, too. But they can only be taken from URLs that are clearly spelled out in posts, the kind that may look weird to Mastodon users when coming from Hubzilla.

Also, they only federate between Hubzilla channels because nobody else has this app, and because it only works through the #Zot protocol.

I haven't tested it yet, to be honest.
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@agturcz @m0bi13 @miklo @ftdl @rysiek @74 @kalisz79 @pawelszczur @kuna
Wyjścia są dwa, jeśli chodzi o
#prywatnosc #privacy :
1. AP (publiczny) + coś prywatnego (np. #matrix )
2. Stawianie serwisów w oparciu protokół #Nomad (dawniej #Zot ), czyli #Streams lub #Hubzilla – w ramach tego użytkownicy/instancje mogą gadać ze sobą bezpiecznie i prywatnie lub publicznie, jak zechcą i przyłączać AP, jak zechcą
• Problem1 – Żadne z tych rozwiązań nie jest wystarczająco proste dla normalsów.
• Problem2 – Integracja w ramach AP idzie w kierunku zgodności z Masto. Np. ostatnio próbowałem szerować #wydarzenia z #mobilizon do #Friendica – czasem się wprowadza do kalendarza, czasem nie, cholera wie dlaczego, a proste info dla Masto jest zawsze poprawne. Co ciekawe, zauważyłem projekty integracji #Flarum #Nodebb #Discourse z AP i już myślałem, że będziemy mieć sfederowane fora, co byłoby super ciekawe (patrz obrazek). Niestety, to też idzie w kierunku integracji z Masto, który pewnie będzie alternatywą dla emaila (nic ciekawego).
WNIOSKI. Podstawą integracji w AP długo będą proste komunikaty Mastodona. Chyba najlepiej używać czegoś zaawansowanego w tym formacie. Obecnie #FireFish – obsługuje #grupy i #grupyprywatne (prywatność umowna) plus do tego co kto chce. Wybrańcy mogą używać #Streams .

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@rabble @Fediverse Report Only halfway through it due to lack of time, but in that half, the only pre-#Mastodon, pre-#ActivityPub hint was a very brief mention of the #OStatus protocol and #StatusNet. And it doesn't sound like the other half would actually deal with anything between identi.ca and Mastodon.

Then again, #Bluesky tries to convince us that the concept of #NomadicIdentity is their original pioneering creation, so naturally, they'd never admit that it was actually invented along with the #Zot protocol in 2011 and has been in use since the creation of the #RedMatrix in 2012 from which eventually #Hubzilla emerged.

And the representatives of ActivityPub and #Nostr would never admit either that there are protocols and projects that are more powerful than theirs while also being older and having been in active use for longer.

Interestingly, not even #Diaspora was mentioned.

So basically, this isn't about the origins of the concept of open social media platforms and their largely unknown history prior to Mastodon. It's about the history of three specific platforms.

Or should I continue listening, and what I think is missing is yet to come?
Mastodonrabble (@rabble@mastodon.social)724 Posts, 404 Following, 2.69K Followers · hacker, anarchist, troublemaker. i'm @rabble on twitter and rabble.nz on scuttlebutt.
@Chris Trottier In the #Fediverse, you're only semi-safe from search warrants at best.

If a #Mastodon instance hosted in the USA is being targetted by the authorities, the admin can easily go through even private communication. Instances hosted abroad can shrug this off, and most US newcomers to Mastodon reside on mastodon.social hosted in Germany where US Federal law and state laws don't apply, but many have moved to US-based instances since.

If you want actual privacy, if you want access control that's worth the name, if you want encrypted communication, forget #ActivityPub and everything that's based on it. Instead, go for #DFRN or, better yet, #Zot and what's based on it, and keep your close friends all on instances using at least largely the same protocol.
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@ariadne Kind of both instead, and OIDC would still provide disappointing data resiliency.

#Zot's idea is better, it mitigates some of the inherent brittleness of instance-centrism (albeit via replication/clones instead of a message-centric approach).