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Nonilex<p>Overnight <a href="https://masto.ai/tags/KilmarAbregoGarcia" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>KilmarAbregoGarcia</span></a>’s attorneys asked Judge <a href="https://masto.ai/tags/Xinis" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>Xinis</span></a> for severe sanctions against the <a href="https://masto.ai/tags/Trump" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>Trump</span></a> admin for violating court orders, saying officials stonewalled them for months, &amp; outright lied.</p><p>They want fines &amp; an investigation.</p><p><a href="https://storage.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.uscourts.mdd.578815/gov.uscourts.mdd.578815.195.0.pdf" rel="nofollow noopener" translate="no" target="_blank"><span class="invisible">https://</span><span class="ellipsis">storage.courtlistener.com/reca</span><span class="invisible">p/gov.uscourts.mdd.578815/gov.uscourts.mdd.578815.195.0.pdf</span></a></p><p><a href="https://masto.ai/tags/FactCheck" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>FactCheck</span></a> <a href="https://masto.ai/tags/TrumpLies" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>TrumpLies</span></a> <a href="https://masto.ai/tags/law" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>law</span></a> <a href="https://masto.ai/tags/immigration" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>immigration</span></a> <a href="https://masto.ai/tags/rendition" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>rendition</span></a> <a href="https://masto.ai/tags/DueProcess" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>DueProcess</span></a> <a href="https://masto.ai/tags/CivilRights" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>CivilRights</span></a> <a href="https://masto.ai/tags/Constitution" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>Constitution</span></a></p>
Nonilex<p>Judge <a href="https://masto.ai/tags/Xinis" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>Xinis</span></a> GRANTS a motion by <a href="https://masto.ai/tags/news" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>news</span></a> organizations to unseal certain records in the <a href="https://masto.ai/tags/KilmarAbregoGarcia" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>KilmarAbregoGarcia</span></a> case. Some remain under seal. Some will be unsealed with redactions. Some will be unsealed without redactions.</p><p><a href="https://storage.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.uscourts.mdd.578815/gov.uscourts.mdd.578815.180.0.pdf" rel="nofollow noopener" translate="no" target="_blank"><span class="invisible">https://</span><span class="ellipsis">storage.courtlistener.com/reca</span><span class="invisible">p/gov.uscourts.mdd.578815/gov.uscourts.mdd.578815.180.0.pdf</span></a></p><p><a href="https://masto.ai/tags/law" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>law</span></a> <a href="https://masto.ai/tags/immigration" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>immigration</span></a> <a href="https://masto.ai/tags/Rendition" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>Rendition</span></a> <a href="https://masto.ai/tags/StateSponsoredAbduction" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>StateSponsoredAbduction</span></a> <a href="https://masto.ai/tags/Constitution" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>Constitution</span></a> <a href="https://masto.ai/tags/CivilRights" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>CivilRights</span></a> <a href="https://masto.ai/tags/HumanRights" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>HumanRights</span></a> <a href="https://masto.ai/tags/DueProcess" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>DueProcess</span></a> <a href="https://masto.ai/tags/transparency" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>transparency</span></a> <a href="https://masto.ai/tags/FreePress" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>FreePress</span></a> <a href="https://masto.ai/tags/AbuseOfPower" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>AbuseOfPower</span></a> <a href="https://masto.ai/tags/Trump" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>Trump</span></a></p>
Nonilex<p>Cooper points to Wilkinson line in 4th Circuit opinion that the government's claim that there's nothing more to be done to facilitate return is "shocking" to the conscience &amp; that indicates that there's <a href="https://masto.ai/tags/misconduct" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>misconduct</span></a></p><p>Wrapping up, <a href="https://masto.ai/tags/Xinis" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>Xinis</span></a> thanks everyone.</p><p>She announces a 10 minute break before the parties go into a closed session to discuss some of the matters that remain under seal.</p><p>End of 🧵 </p><p><a href="https://masto.ai/tags/KilmarAbregoGarcia" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>KilmarAbregoGarcia</span></a> <a href="https://masto.ai/tags/immigration" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>immigration</span></a> <a href="https://masto.ai/tags/law" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>law</span></a> <a href="https://masto.ai/tags/judiciary" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>judiciary</span></a> <a href="https://masto.ai/tags/Trump" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>Trump</span></a> <a href="https://masto.ai/tags/rendition" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>rendition</span></a></p>
Nonilex<p>Guynn: Govt's claim is that he is a member of MS-13 &amp; he was removed on that basis, is basis of detention in <a href="https://masto.ai/tags/ElSalvador" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>ElSalvador</span></a> bc the Salvadoran govt believes he's MS-13 too</p><p><a href="https://masto.ai/tags/Xinis" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>Xinis</span></a>: Maybe we need to table this for sealed hearing.</p><p>Guynn agrees.</p><p>Xinis: Anything else to talk about in open court before we get into the nitty gritty in close session? </p><p>Cooper, for Abrego Garcia, interjects to raise issue about government <a href="https://masto.ai/tags/misconduct" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>misconduct</span></a>.</p><p><a href="https://masto.ai/tags/KilmarAbregoGarcia" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>KilmarAbregoGarcia</span></a> <a href="https://masto.ai/tags/immigration" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>immigration</span></a> <a href="https://masto.ai/tags/law" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>law</span></a> <a href="https://masto.ai/tags/judiciary" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>judiciary</span></a> <a href="https://masto.ai/tags/Trump" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>Trump</span></a> <a href="https://masto.ai/tags/rendition" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>rendition</span></a></p>
Nonilex<p><a href="https://masto.ai/tags/Xinis" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>Xinis</span></a>: C'mon, you took over this case. You read that transcript.</p><p>There's a back-&amp;-forth between Guynn &amp; Xinis. Guynn eventually agrees to assume for the sake of argument that Garcia was unlawfully detained/removed. </p><p>But says even if that's assumed, there's still no showing of govt <a href="https://masto.ai/tags/misconduct" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>misconduct</span></a> on that basis</p><p><a href="https://masto.ai/tags/KilmarAbregoGarcia" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>KilmarAbregoGarcia</span></a> <a href="https://masto.ai/tags/immigration" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>immigration</span></a> <a href="https://masto.ai/tags/law" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>law</span></a> <a href="https://masto.ai/tags/judiciary" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>judiciary</span></a> <a href="https://masto.ai/tags/Trump" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>Trump</span></a> <a href="https://masto.ai/tags/rendition" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>rendition</span></a></p>
Nonilex<p><a href="https://masto.ai/tags/Xinis" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>Xinis</span></a> interjects: No, no, no. During that first hearing the government admitted that Mr. Abrego Garcia was unlawfully detained. </p><p>There was an unlawful detention, she says.</p><p>There's a looooooooong, awkward pause. </p><p>Guynn says he can't speak to what happened at that hearing in which the govt admitted that <a href="https://masto.ai/tags/KilmarAbregoGarcia" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>KilmarAbregoGarcia</span></a> was wrongfully removed, which led to the admin firing <a href="https://masto.ai/tags/DOJ" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>DOJ</span></a> atty Erez Reuveni. </p><p><a href="https://masto.ai/tags/immigration" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>immigration</span></a> <a href="https://masto.ai/tags/law" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>law</span></a> <a href="https://masto.ai/tags/judiciary" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>judiciary</span></a> <a href="https://masto.ai/tags/Trump" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>Trump</span></a> <a href="https://masto.ai/tags/rendition" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>rendition</span></a></p>
Nonilex<p>Guynn addresses the govt <a href="https://masto.ai/tags/misconduct" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>misconduct</span></a> exception. Says not clear from Cooper's discussion what misconduct at issue. Failure to provide info? Failure to comply w/court's order? Etc</p><p><a href="https://masto.ai/tags/Xinis" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>Xinis</span></a>: Or all of the above? [exactly]</p><p>Guynn starts talking about the circumstances of <a href="https://masto.ai/tags/KilmarAbregoGarcia" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>KilmarAbregoGarcia</span></a>'s removal. </p><p>"That was an administrative error" that he was removed to a country he shouldn't have been removed to, but that doesn't mean there was misconduct.</p><p><a href="https://masto.ai/tags/immigration" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>immigration</span></a> <a href="https://masto.ai/tags/law" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>law</span></a> <a href="https://masto.ai/tags/judiciary" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>judiciary</span></a> <a href="https://masto.ai/tags/Trump" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>Trump</span></a> <a href="https://masto.ai/tags/rendition" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>rendition</span></a></p>
Nonilex<p>After Cooper argues that <a href="https://masto.ai/tags/DeliberativeProcess" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>DeliberativeProcess</span></a> <a href="https://masto.ai/tags/privilege" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>privilege</span></a> doesn't apply given <a href="https://masto.ai/tags/misconduct" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>misconduct</span></a> by the govt, he turns to another exception: the "compelling need" exception.</p><p>That squarely overrides the invocation of the privilege here, he tells Judge <a href="https://masto.ai/tags/Xinis" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>Xinis</span></a>.</p><p>Cooper: This discovery is relevant &amp; important. Govt hasn't pointed to alternative sources of info. There's been no substance produced of information that's key &amp; critical here.</p><p><a href="https://masto.ai/tags/KilmarAbregoGarcia" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>KilmarAbregoGarcia</span></a> <a href="https://masto.ai/tags/immigration" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>immigration</span></a> <a href="https://masto.ai/tags/law" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>law</span></a> <a href="https://masto.ai/tags/judiciary" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>judiciary</span></a> <a href="https://masto.ai/tags/Trump" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>Trump</span></a> <a href="https://masto.ai/tags/rendition" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>rendition</span></a></p>
Nonilex<p>Guynn: Think would need to brief that. But I don't want to concede that <a href="https://masto.ai/tags/intent" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>intent</span></a> is at issue.</p><p><a href="https://masto.ai/tags/Xinis" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>Xinis</span></a> asks attorney for <a href="https://masto.ai/tags/KilmarAbregoGarcia" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>KilmarAbregoGarcia</span></a> to come up &amp; address the "government misconduct" exception to <a href="https://masto.ai/tags/DeliberativeProcess" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>DeliberativeProcess</span></a> <a href="https://masto.ai/tags/privilege" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>privilege</span></a>.</p><p>[Because the privilege is not absolute &amp; can be overcome by a showing of govt <a href="https://masto.ai/tags/misconduct" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>misconduct</span></a>]</p><p>Up for Abrego Garcia this time is Jonathan Cooper</p><p>Cooper: From the beginning this has been a case about govt misconduct</p><p><a href="https://masto.ai/tags/immigration" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>immigration</span></a> <a href="https://masto.ai/tags/law" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>law</span></a> <a href="https://masto.ai/tags/judiciary" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>judiciary</span></a> <a href="https://masto.ai/tags/Trump" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>Trump</span></a> <a href="https://masto.ai/tags/rendition" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>rendition</span></a></p>
Nonilex<p><a href="https://masto.ai/tags/Xinis" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>Xinis</span></a>: Intent to facilitate, intent to comply w/my order.</p><p>Guynn: When you refer to <a href="https://masto.ai/tags/intent" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>intent</span></a>, what are you referring to?</p><p>Xinis: Can give you cases I've been thinking about. There's a proposition that <a href="https://masto.ai/tags/DeliberativeProcess" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>DeliberativeProcess</span></a> <a href="https://masto.ai/tags/privilege" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>privilege</span></a> doesn't really apply when intent is at issue </p><p>Gives hypo: re discrimination claim by fired employee. if decision making is privileged, can never get to the issue of wrongful termination.</p><p><a href="https://masto.ai/tags/KilmarAbregoGarcia" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>KilmarAbregoGarcia</span></a> <a href="https://masto.ai/tags/immigration" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>immigration</span></a> <a href="https://masto.ai/tags/law" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>law</span></a> <a href="https://masto.ai/tags/judiciary" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>judiciary</span></a> <a href="https://masto.ai/tags/Trump" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>Trump</span></a> <a href="https://masto.ai/tags/rendition" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>rendition</span></a></p>
Nonilex<p>Guynn: That's why there are so many privileged documents here that's why hard to ID document custodians, etc. </p><p><a href="https://masto.ai/tags/Xinis" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>Xinis</span></a>: Almost impossible to determine from the log on what basis you're claiming attorney client privilege. Eg, if you have 18 people CC'ed on an email. without more info, I can't assess.<br>I don't believe the <a href="https://masto.ai/tags/DeliberativeProcess" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>DeliberativeProcess</span></a> <a href="https://masto.ai/tags/privilege" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>privilege</span></a> is as broad in this case because the govt's intent is at issue.</p><p><a href="https://masto.ai/tags/KilmarAbregoGarcia" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>KilmarAbregoGarcia</span></a> <a href="https://masto.ai/tags/immigration" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>immigration</span></a> <a href="https://masto.ai/tags/law" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>law</span></a> <a href="https://masto.ai/tags/judiciary" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>judiciary</span></a> <a href="https://masto.ai/tags/Trump" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>Trump</span></a> <a href="https://masto.ai/tags/rendition" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>rendition</span></a></p>
Nonilex<p>Guynn: The govt obviously had a dispute over what facilitate means</p><p><a href="https://masto.ai/tags/Xinis" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>Xinis</span></a>: What's interesting about that is that you had to have the Fourth Circuit tell you that. "My decision wasn't good enough."</p><p>Guynn says there's more context to set the stage but he thinks that would need a sidebar.<br>There was question about what defendants had to do, should do, in response to court's order in this case. So lots of attorneys were involved.</p><p><a href="https://masto.ai/tags/KilmarAbregoGarcia" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>KilmarAbregoGarcia</span></a> <a href="https://masto.ai/tags/immigration" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>immigration</span></a> <a href="https://masto.ai/tags/law" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>law</span></a> <a href="https://masto.ai/tags/judiciary" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>judiciary</span></a> <a href="https://masto.ai/tags/Trump" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>Trump</span></a> <a href="https://masto.ai/tags/rendition" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>rendition</span></a></p>
Nonilex<p>Guynn says context is important. Expedited discovery was ordered, &amp; collecting docs or preparing declarations from witnesses is a task that takes months, not days or weeks</p><p><a href="https://masto.ai/tags/Xinis" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>Xinis</span></a> interjects: Not in this court. If I order it, you do it. This is my court.</p><p>That said, I understand this is an ongoing discussion w/the plaintiffs &amp; I do see evidence that you're working to identify custodians. But you've asserted this privilege broadly. It's in, like, everything.</p><p><a href="https://masto.ai/tags/immigration" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>immigration</span></a> <a href="https://masto.ai/tags/law" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>law</span></a> <a href="https://masto.ai/tags/judiciary" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>judiciary</span></a> <a href="https://masto.ai/tags/Trump" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>Trump</span></a></p>
Nonilex<p>Rossman: If I gave your honor what I have of meaningful <a href="https://masto.ai/tags/discovery" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>discovery</span></a>, it'd be nothing</p><p><a href="https://masto.ai/tags/Xinis" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>Xinis</span></a> announces that she wants to move on to discussion of the <a href="https://masto.ai/tags/DeliberativeProcess" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>DeliberativeProcess</span></a> <a href="https://masto.ai/tags/privilege" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>privilege</span></a>. Wants to talk about the <a href="https://masto.ai/tags/law" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>law</span></a> on that, then move the hearing under seal to discuss further.</p><p>Guynn is up first to discuss. </p><p><a href="https://masto.ai/tags/KilmarAbregoGarcia" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>KilmarAbregoGarcia</span></a> <a href="https://masto.ai/tags/immigration" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>immigration</span></a> <a href="https://masto.ai/tags/law" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>law</span></a> <a href="https://masto.ai/tags/judiciary" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>judiciary</span></a> <a href="https://masto.ai/tags/Trump" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>Trump</span></a> <a href="https://masto.ai/tags/rendition" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>rendition</span></a></p>
Nonilex<p>Rossman: Last thing I would mention is about the prospect of in camera review. <br>I am not at all suggesting the entirety of the privilege log should be made availble to the court. But we do think that your honor should look at some of these documents…</p><p><a href="https://masto.ai/tags/Xinis" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>Xinis</span></a>: the problem I'm having—not to beat a dead horse—is that I can't assess this based on the affidavit provided. Maybe at some point that will make its way to me, but that's where we are.</p><p><a href="https://masto.ai/tags/KilmarAbregoGarcia" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>KilmarAbregoGarcia</span></a> <a href="https://masto.ai/tags/immigration" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>immigration</span></a> <a href="https://masto.ai/tags/law" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>law</span></a> <a href="https://masto.ai/tags/judiciary" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>judiciary</span></a> <a href="https://masto.ai/tags/Trump" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>Trump</span></a></p>
Nonilex<p>Rossman: points to cases in which there are both public &amp; classified declarations submitted by the <a href="https://masto.ai/tags/ExecutiveBranch" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>ExecutiveBranch</span></a> head. Time after time, those affidavits are extremely detailed.</p><p><a href="https://masto.ai/tags/Xinis" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>Xinis</span></a>: But in some of the cases it's more of a mixed bag. That's why I'm asking for more information so I can assess</p><p><a href="https://masto.ai/tags/KilmarAbregoGarcia" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>KilmarAbregoGarcia</span></a> <a href="https://masto.ai/tags/immigration" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>immigration</span></a> <a href="https://masto.ai/tags/law" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>law</span></a> <a href="https://masto.ai/tags/judiciary" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>judiciary</span></a> <a href="https://masto.ai/tags/Trump" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>Trump</span></a> <a href="https://masto.ai/tags/rendition" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>rendition</span></a></p>
Nonilex<p>Rossman: The govt is delaying for delay sake at the expense of a person wrongfully removed who sits rotting in a foreign prison.</p><p>I respect court's decision on this but the government getting more bites at the apple just allows them to keep doing this...</p><p><a href="https://masto.ai/tags/Xinis" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>Xinis</span></a>: I can give them short period to cure error &amp; everyone will be on notice that I don't think what I've been given is sufficient.</p><p><a href="https://masto.ai/tags/KilmarAbregoGarcia" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>KilmarAbregoGarcia</span></a> <a href="https://masto.ai/tags/immigration" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>immigration</span></a> <a href="https://masto.ai/tags/law" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>law</span></a> <a href="https://masto.ai/tags/judiciary" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>judiciary</span></a> <a href="https://masto.ai/tags/Trump" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>Trump</span></a> <a href="https://masto.ai/tags/rendition" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>rendition</span></a></p>
Nonilex<p>Guynn: It's coming clear to me now that this isn't productive without reference to discovery under seal</p><p><a href="https://masto.ai/tags/Xinis" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>Xinis</span></a>: Ok, we'll save it.<br>Anything else before a go back to Rossman? </p><p>Guynn: Nothing further on <a href="https://masto.ai/tags/StateSecrets" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>StateSecrets</span></a>.</p><p>Rossman at the lectern now for <a href="https://masto.ai/tags/KilmarAbregoGarcia" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>KilmarAbregoGarcia</span></a>.</p><p>"My head is spinning" based on what I've heard from the government. They've told us nothing. Zero. Nothing.</p><p><a href="https://masto.ai/tags/immigration" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>immigration</span></a> <a href="https://masto.ai/tags/law" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>law</span></a> <a href="https://masto.ai/tags/judiciary" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>judiciary</span></a> <a href="https://masto.ai/tags/Trump" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>Trump</span></a> <a href="https://masto.ai/tags/rendition" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>rendition</span></a></p>
Nonilex<p>Guynn cites the Reynolds case. Gets into a back &amp; forth w/ Xinis about how that case is different from the facts presented here. </p><p>Guynn reiterates claim that government has given sufficient info...</p><p><a href="https://masto.ai/tags/Xinis" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>Xinis</span></a>: No other source like there was in Reynolds. It's you, your clients.</p><p>Xinis: Where do they get this info if not from the <a href="https://masto.ai/tags/state" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>state</span></a> dept? </p><p>Guynn: They HAVE this information.</p><p>Xinis: Well maybe we need to get in the weeds on that</p><p><a href="https://masto.ai/tags/KilmarAbregoGarcia" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>KilmarAbregoGarcia</span></a> <a href="https://masto.ai/tags/immigration" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>immigration</span></a> <a href="https://masto.ai/tags/law" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>law</span></a> <a href="https://masto.ai/tags/judiciary" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>judiciary</span></a> <a href="https://masto.ai/tags/Trump" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>Trump</span></a> <a href="https://masto.ai/tags/rendition" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>rendition</span></a></p>
Nonilex<p>Guynn: Aspects of those inquiries...</p><p><a href="https://masto.ai/tags/Xinis" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>Xinis</span></a>: You haven't even told me what aspects!</p><p>Guynn: I don't agree w/court's characterization that we have these 3 areas of inquiry &amp; we're invoking categorical privilege. We've provided SIGNIFICANT information...</p><p>Xinis says she wants to discuss that more during sealed session bc he's referring to some of the sealed filings</p><p><a href="https://masto.ai/tags/KilmarAbregoGarcia" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>KilmarAbregoGarcia</span></a> <a href="https://masto.ai/tags/immigration" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>immigration</span></a> <a href="https://masto.ai/tags/law" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>law</span></a> <a href="https://masto.ai/tags/judiciary" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>judiciary</span></a> <a href="https://masto.ai/tags/Trump" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>Trump</span></a> <a href="https://masto.ai/tags/rendition" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>rendition</span></a></p>