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Polychrome :clockworkheart:
When #Gajim 2.3.3 can't connect to a MUC server the entire conversation gets replaced with this error and you can no longer read the chat log.

You can drop the channel, but that also means you won't be able to open the conversation window anymore.
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Kevin Karhan :verified:

One thing that really pisses me off personally is the #regression in terms of #Messenger #Apps.

My personal distaste and dislike for #proprietary, #SingleVendor & #SingleProvider #services like #Signal ¹ ², #Telegram, #Discord ³, #WhatsApp ⁴, #Slack, #MicrosoftTeams, etc. aside:

  • WHY is there no #CrossProvider #Messenger to handle that shite?

  • WHY does everyone of these shitty providers think people want to download their #bloated #WebApp that takes up triple digit Megabytes if not entire Gigabytes and will gobble up all the #RAM and #CPU each of them can??

This problem ain't new and already got solved for corporate social media ages ago! (Not to mention actually good messengers!)

So yeah, consider this a call for a @gajim / #Gajim or @pidgin / #Pidgin for garbage platforms!

  • Cuz back in the day we had way worse messengers yet people actually made #AIM, #ICQ, #MSN, #QQ, #IRC & #XMPP work just fine from one single "phat" client!

  • Can we please get that back? Cuz #WastefulComputing pisses me off!

Infosec.SpaceKevin Karhan :verified: (@kkarhan@infosec.space)Content warning: Rant re: Signal Shills being dangerous Tech Illiterates
#api0#Enshittification
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Dusty

@nina_kali_nina I've been using #XMPP for the last year or so, wondering if the halcyon ICQ days of yore are still to be had.

After testing it with several friends connecting to my own self-hosted #Prosody server, here's what I found:

- Yes it all works, on all XMPP clients. But MacOS/iPadOS/iOS clients are not all that mature at this time. The #Linux (#Gajim, despite no video or audio calls) and #Android (#Conversations) XMPP clients are the best, IMHO. Always favor those, I say, and they are confidently installable and reliable today.
- Yes, use OMEMO encryption on personal chats. But when it comes to group chats, OMEMO is not necessarily the right move.
- If you don't need privacy in an XMPP group, then don't create a private group, but rather a _public_ group (the safer choice for reliability of message delivery). No OMEMO is possible in a public group, and the messages propagating around will be reliable, even to clients who vanish and re-appear after prolonged absences.
- If you really need OMEMO encryption in a group chat, create a _private_ group, not a public group. **Clients who vanish from the group for prolonged periods may miss out on some of the messages when they return (say, a few weeks later)**.
- I kept a wiki with several more quirks noted, which came up, and felt confusing and frustrating to my (non-geek) friends using XMPP.

As to your Apple-ecosystem-confined friends, at this moment in time, maybe talk to them 1:1 in #Fluffychat/Matrix, which affords encryption, and is all #OpenSource, like everything above. (Groups in #Matrix have a track record of failing for everybody in them very badly every 2 or 3 years or so.)

Gajim

Gajim 2.3 has been released 🥳

A fresh new look for Gajim arrived! 😎
With this release Gajim introduces Adwaita, a library providing styles, nicely designed user interface elements, animations and more. Many dialogs, including Preferences and Plugin management have been redesigned.

This release is available on Windows again - finally!

Thank you for all your contributions! ❤️

Support Gajim's development: liberapay.com/Gajim

#gajim #xmpp #chat

gajim.org/posts/2025-06-29-gaj

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Kevin Karhan :verified:

@Cappyjax IDGAF about "passion". All I care about is the security of users!

Requiring any #PII like a #PhoneNumber is inacceptable when it comes to #ComSec, #InfoSec & #OpSec, espechally given @signalapp is not only able but entirely willing to restrict service based off said numbers, making their "solution" insecure by design.

  • There's a reason why #XMPP+#OMEMO and #PGP/MIME [both each over @torproject / #Tor] is the evidently superior and more secure approach, as being unable to "#KYC" a user is a matter of security...

Espechally since obtaining a phone number anonymously is oftentimes illegal (i.e. #Germany made it illegal starting 07/2017, so using any service that demands a phone numner is out of question)

  • And even if one can get an anonymous #SIM (with a phone number) or god forbid #eSIM, (which is at best pseudonymous as tracking down users by virtue of matching ICCID, IMEI & IMSI to location and time) the chances are high that one ends up with recycled phone numbers that have already been used.

Obviously the devs of #Signal and @Mer__edith are well aware of this critical flaw, which is why I consider them to act as "useful idiots" or rather "controlled opposition" as #Signal could've been shutdown trivially by the #US Government or forced into banning users based off their #PhoneNumbers (they may call this "#sanctions #compliance" given they added a #Shitcoin - Wallet into Signal!)...

  • All the "but #Metadata" #FUD turns into #MarketingLies once put under the looking glass and examined against the risk of state-sponsored / -endordsed / -supported attackers.

Whereas with @monocles / #monoclesChat, @gajim / #gajim and @delta / #deltaChat and @thunderbird / #Thunderbird respectably I can not only use Tor, but do #SelfHosting for the entire #communications infrastructure (i.e. using an #OnionService = only reachable via Tor) and get the advantages of a self-routing, self-authenticating & battle-hardened against censorship proxy network that can't be shutdown!

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Infosec.SpaceKevin Karhan :verified: (@kkarhan@infosec.space)@renardboy@mastodon.social @derekmorr@mastodon.social depends... Did you have to remotely onboard someone onto a secure communication stack whilst they are on the run from the authorities *and* blood relatives due to *"living while trans"* with a *literal "dead or alive" bounty on their head* whilst stuck in a besieged city that's being shelled? - Cuz I did... @signalapp@mastodon.world is evidently a solution appealing to #TechIlliterates with *dangerous 'semi-knowledge'* who are willing to accept a *"#TrustMeBro!"* by @Mer__edith@mastodon.world and #MoxieMarlinspike before her. - Using #Signal would've gotten said person tracked down and killed by the de-facto aithorities for merely having their phone # linked to that shite!
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Mery 🌕​:progress_pride: :bh_flag_nonbinary:

Una pregunta sobre #XMPP

Me descargué hace tiempo #Gajim para tenerlo en el PC, pero hay veces que al intentar abrirlo no se abre, sí hace como el intento pero no se termina de abrir. No sé si hay alguien más que lo utilice y sepa qué puede ser.

También si me recomendáis algún otro cliente para PC (#Windows) que sea fácil de descargar, porque estuve mirando y casi todos me llevan a una página con un montón de links y no sé cuál tengo que descargar ni nada y Gajim fue el que estaba más fácil. 😅​

Gracias de antebrazo

#MastoAyuda
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Bhante Subharo ☸️

@dangoodin Every other desktop messaging app for #Windows would do well to add this, as #Signal has. And if they don't, they compromise the privacy of all those people who took pains to *not* use Windows (who use said messaging apps, and are contacts with these Windows users). Every alternative operating system - #Linux, #MacOS, #iPadOS, #iOS, etc - where you can run these non-Recall-protected messaging apps... they all get dragged into the privacy quagmire which Windows #Recall creates.

Another idea is for these Messaging apps to discontinue Windows support, thereby cutting off the infected, gangrenous limb, with respect to privacy. For example, #Gajim, the #XMPP client for linux, was recently stating they would release a Windows client for 2.2.0. How about just don't, and call it a day, citing Recall being too "radioactive" to privacy to get anywhere near?

I'm curious: Can web browser tabs make a DRM-insisting Recall-blockage, like Signal does? I use WhatsApp Web. How can WhatsApp Web - in a browser tab - do what Signal does here?

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