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Good news! Our developments are back into full swing with major new releases expected throughout 2025 🥳

After the shock February dry-up of funding grants we recently secured substantial private donations, wonderfully helping to hit the ground running 🧡

#deltachat #chatmail and #webxdc developments currently use ~600k EUR per year to support a dozen experts and contributors, to in turn help the wider contributor communities, as well as to realize major new features.

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Hello @delta ,

I am using #matrix in a professional and NGO context, and I am quite frustrated with its bugs. (broken search, frequent problems with encryption and signatures, ...)

I am not yet suggesting #deltachat for these use cases because I am not sure if it is possible to have the following things with #deltachat / #chatmail . Is DeltaChat the right tool for these cases?

Tomorrow at #CFC25 there are two sessions about #DeltaChat:

How to set up a #chatmail relay server, an easy way to make your first timid steps with server administration: pretalx.c3voc.de/chaos-feminis

And an overview on #webxdc apps, and how they bring back computing to your social context, locking out the tracking companies: pretalx.c3voc.de/chaos-feminis

The webxdc talk will also be streamed, if you want to join remotely :)

pretalx.c3voc.deSelf-hosting Chatmail relay servers - for anonymous & encrypted Instant Messaging Chaos Feminist ConventionChatmail relays are for anonymous, secure, and autonomous/decentralized chatting with Delta Chat - great to get started with Server Administration.

Two of our teams just gave talks at the @passthesaltcon 2025 conference in Lille:

@Xeniax tells the story of "federated messaging" waves and her usable security research, emphasizing "availability" as a key issue
passthesalt.ubicast.tv/videos/ --

@hpk starts off with prioritizing usable security and walks through #chatmail transport layer security goals and #deltachat end-point security status, upcoming releases and prospective work on improving metadata and other goals
passthesalt.ubicast.tv/videos/

Internet fragmentation is real in many countries and regions today but did you know that this "Sometimes-Internet" was the reality of the 1980ties when #email evolved?

#chatmail relays are cheap, secure, fast, ephemeral and resilient server setups for the growing Sometimes-Internet, using cryptography for planetary-scale interop:

- E2EE-only, strict TLS+DKIM
- no spam-check magic
- delay/cut-off tolerant
- messages removed after download
- addresses removed if stale
- push notifications

#DeltaChat evolved according to needs of people under repression and continues to do so. The more ignorant and exchangeable we make #chatmail relays, the less their operators have to worry. Having metadata-less, fast and cheap instant messaging relays, that can also operate when 99% of the Internet vanishes in a region, is a key goal. Some way to go still but, already now, is there any other real-world solution that provides better service in internet-repressed regions in 2025?

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@alandes Most #chatmail operators we know off will not hand out data without a fight. But there are other operators who are afraid of brutal prosecution and here it helps that there is not much data on disk in a chatmail server. No need to risk imprisonment or worse.

@kyonshi people using classic email servers will be able to write to you, but if you really want to properly be reached in #DeltaChat with encryption which is required for people using public open-registration/anonymous #chatmail servers, you need to share your Delta Chat invite link or QR code, not only #email address

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@fox84 it's driven by the #chatmail community, with a sizable intersection of #dletachat contributors. Around 30 operators are discussing further developments and there is a separate core relay dev team who enhances the relay setup emplate as needed and in scope of resources. Financial contributions welcome. chatmail.at

chatmail.atChatmailChatmail provides FOSS infrastructure for interoperable, secure, speedy and reliable end-to-end encrypted messaging. Check out clients as Arcane Chat, Bots or Delta Chat today!

We'd like to remind everyone that a self-hosted #chatmail relay is best shared in some wider than family circles. In crisis situations everbody does better when helping others.

A typical 1gb RAM chatmail relay VPS for 5-10 eur per month supports 50k+ daily users.

chatmail VPSes are stateless. You can wipe all disk state, reinstall and chatting will resume. Conversely, #deltachat does not keep or depend on any server state .Operators under pressure do not need to feel bad to hand over data.

We are basically doing what #signal and in particular moxie refused to do or declares impossible: federation.

Both #email and #activitypub ecosystems are all about federation.

However, #deltachat is vertically centralized in that all UIs use the same #rust core which implements all networking, encryption, chat/group/message logic in a single centralized place. The now 40+ #chatmail mail relay network is driven from centralized code.

At each level replication and federation is built in.

Everyone returns to email in the end. We are there already. #whatsapp wants you to add your email to secure your account ... despite all the nay sayers and numerous well funded attempts and claims to kill #email not even WA can do it. #deltachat #chatmail and #webxdc are about deep collab between people, projects and operators to evolve email from within. It is not just about SMTP and IMAP and MIME and OpenPGP which are all exchangeable and can be improved ... Which we set out to do. Cheers.

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@artfulrobot goodbye fellow 0.001% the other 99.999% of users have #Gmail, and other classic, ehem, "standard" providers that have crazy sending rate limits unusable for chatting and make it EXTREMELY hard to configure with 3rd party clients, since #chatmail and the new onboarding screen was introduced, A LOT more people was able to actually use #DeltaChat

I am also part of the 0.001% and I think it is ok if it is a bit harder for us but easier for the non-technical masses

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@ex_06 Using delta with a variety of non-chatmail setups is just fine. It's only that #chatmail enforces end-to-end encryption and a cryptographic security baseline in server-to-server communications.

Given a dedicated small team of experienced devs, it might even be possible to re-use Delta's UIs and amend the core library to have an #XMPP backend and subsequently XMPP chat profiles.

But #Matrix? Are you seriously suggesting this?