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Kevin Karhan :verified:<p><span class="h-card" translate="no"><a href="https://social.tchncs.de/@pixelcode" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">@<span>pixelcode</span></a></span> <span class="h-card" translate="no"><a href="https://fedi.feministwiki.org/users/taylan" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">@<span>taylan</span></a></span> Your <a href="https://social.tchncs.de/@pixelcode/114232945195514403" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">nonchalant <em>"So what?"</em></a> gets people publicly murdered by the state in many juristictions...</p><ul><li>Which is why there is no substitute to teaching proper <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/TechLiteracy" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>TechLiteracy</span></a> ffs!</li></ul><p>If things were so easy as in <em>"JuSt UsE sIgNaL!"</em> then <span class="h-card" translate="no"><a href="https://mastodon.world/@signalapp" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">@<span>signalapp</span></a></span> would be shut down.</p><ul><li>Or do you really think that in a world where multi-year long sting ops like <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/AN%C3%98M" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>ANØM</span></a> / <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/OperationIronside" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>OperationIronside</span></a> / <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/OperationTr%C3%B8janShield" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>OperationTrøjanShield</span></a> get greenlit that <span class="h-card" translate="no"><a href="https://mastodon.world/@Mer__edith" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">@<span>Mer__edith</span></a></span> would risk dying of old age in jail for non-paying users?</li></ul><p>If you do think so then you should really get some professional help, cuz you seem rather lost...</p><ul><li><a href="https://infosec.space/tags/Signal" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>Signal</span></a> doesn't even bother to have an <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/OnionService" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>OnionService</span></a>, much less to provide means to use their service without self-doxxing with a <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/PhoneNumber" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>PhoneNumber</span></a>, which at best is pseudonymous and requires money to attain and maintain... </li></ul><p>It's <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/centralization" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>centralization</span></a> is an absolute nightmare and mist be deemed as criminally neglectful!</p>
Kevin Karhan :verified:<p><span class="h-card" translate="no"><a href="https://mastodon.world/@signalapp" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">@<span>signalapp</span></a></span> I disagree because your platform is <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/proprietary" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>proprietary</span></a>, <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/SingleVendor" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>SingleVendor</span></a>, <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/SingleProvider" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>SingleProvider</span></a> and doesn't allow for <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/SelfHosting" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>SelfHosting</span></a>, <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/SelfCustody" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>SelfCustody</span></a> of all the Keys and you demand <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/PII" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>PII</span></a> in the form of a <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/PhoneNumber" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>PhoneNumber</span></a> which can be used.to track users down!</p><ul><li>If <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/Signal" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>Signal</span></a> was as secure as claimed, it would've been shut down like <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/EncroChat" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>EncroChat</span></a>, <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/SkyECC" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>SkyECC</span></a> &amp; others...</li></ul>
Kevin Karhan :verified:<p><span class="h-card" translate="no"><a href="https://kolektiva.social/@licho" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">@<span>licho</span></a></span> <span class="h-card" translate="no"><a href="https://hachyderm.io/@osman" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">@<span>osman</span></a></span> provide evidence the code <span class="h-card" translate="no"><a href="https://mastodon.world/@signalapp" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">@<span>signalapp</span></a></span> released is actually being deployed.</p><ul><li>Whereas <span class="h-card" translate="no"><a href="https://monocles.social/@monocles" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">@<span>monocles</span></a></span> has <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/ReproducibleBuilds" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>ReproducibleBuilds</span></a> to the point that <span class="h-card" translate="no"><a href="https://floss.social/@fdroidorg" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">@<span>fdroidorg</span></a></span> literally pulls their <code>git</code> and builds it from source.</li></ul><p>Not to mention pushing a <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/Shitcoin" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>Shitcoin</span></a>-<a href="https://infosec.space/tags/Scam" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>Scam</span></a> (<a href="https://infosec.space/tags/MobileCoin" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>MobileCoin</span></a>) disqualifies <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/Signal" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>Signal</span></a> per very design!<br><a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tJoO2uWrX1M" rel="nofollow noopener" translate="no" target="_blank"><span class="invisible">https://www.</span><span class="">youtube.com/watch?v=tJoO2uWrX1M</span><span class="invisible"></span></a></p><ul><li>Given the collection of <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/PII" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>PII</span></a> like <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/PhoneNumbers" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>PhoneNumbers</span></a>, the ability to restrict functionality based off those and the fact that <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/Signal" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>Signal</span></a> is subject to <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/CloudAct" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>CloudAct</span></a> make it inherently not trustworthy.</li></ul><p>And don't even get me started on the fact.it's not sustainable to run it as a <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/VCmoneyBurningParty" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>VCmoneyBurningParty</span></a>!</p><ul><li>As soon as Signal becomes a problem, it will be taken offline, and due to the fact that it is <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/centralized" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>centralized</span></a>, <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/proprietary" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>proprietary</span></a>, <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/SingleVendor" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>SingleVendor</span></a> &amp; <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/SingleProvider" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>SingleProvider</span></a> that's trivial for authorities.</li></ul><p>Same as identifying users: They already got a <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/PhoneNumber" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>PhoneNumber</span></a> which in many juristictions one can't even obtain without <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/ID" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>ID</span></a> legally, thus making it super easy to i.e. find and locate a user. Even tze cheapest LEAs can force their local M(V)NOs to <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/SS7" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>SS7</span></a> a specific number...</p><ul><li>All these are <em>unnecessary risks</em>, that could've been avoided, but explicitly don't even get remediated retroactively!</li></ul><p>Again: Signal has a <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/Honeypot" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>Honeypot</span></a> stench, and you better learn proper <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/E2EE" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>E2EE</span></a>, <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/SelfCustody" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>SelfCustody</span></a> and <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/TechLiteracy" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>TechLiteracy</span></a> because <a href="https://web.archive.org/web/20210606070919/twitter.com/thegrugq/status/1085614812581715968" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank"><em>corporations can't pull the 5th [Amendment] on your behalf</em>!</a></p>
Bytes Europe<p>Frank Founder Charlie Javice Jury to Decide Soon: Swindler or Genius <a href="https://www.byteseu.com/859153/" rel="nofollow noopener" translate="no" target="_blank"><span class="invisible">https://www.</span><span class="">byteseu.com/859153/</span><span class="invisible"></span></a> <a href="https://pubeurope.com/tags/bank" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>bank</span></a> <a href="https://pubeurope.com/tags/business" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>business</span></a> <a href="https://pubeurope.com/tags/CharlieNumber" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>CharlieNumber</span></a> <a href="https://pubeurope.com/tags/DatumPoint" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>DatumPoint</span></a> <a href="https://pubeurope.com/tags/deal" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>deal</span></a> <a href="https://pubeurope.com/tags/email" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>email</span></a> <a href="https://pubeurope.com/tags/frank" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>frank</span></a> <a href="https://pubeurope.com/tags/Fraud" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>Fraud</span></a> <a href="https://pubeurope.com/tags/javice" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>javice</span></a> <a href="https://pubeurope.com/tags/JPMorganChase" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>JPMorganChase</span></a> <a href="https://pubeurope.com/tags/OlivierAmar" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>OlivierAmar</span></a> <a href="https://pubeurope.com/tags/PhoneNumber" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>PhoneNumber</span></a> <a href="https://pubeurope.com/tags/prosecutor" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>prosecutor</span></a> <a href="https://pubeurope.com/tags/thursday" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>thursday</span></a> <a href="https://pubeurope.com/tags/user" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>user</span></a> <a href="https://pubeurope.com/tags/website" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>website</span></a></p>
Kevin Karhan :verified:<p><span class="h-card" translate="no"><a href="https://ioc.exchange/@Avitus" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">@<span>Avitus</span></a></span> <span class="h-card" translate="no"><a href="https://udongein.xyz/users/lispi314" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">@<span>lispi314</span></a></span> <span class="h-card" translate="no"><a href="https://mastodon.laurenweinstein.org/@lauren" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">@<span>lauren</span></a></span> </p><p><a href="https://infosec.space/tags/TLDR" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>TLDR</span></a>: <span class="h-card" translate="no"><a href="https://mastodon.world/@signalapp" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">@<span>signalapp</span></a></span> HAS NO <em>"<a href="https://infosec.space/tags/LegitimateInterest" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>LegitimateInterest</span></a>"</em> TO DEMAND <a href="https://ioc.exchange/@Avitus/114000090435386785" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">A</a> <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/PhoneNumber" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>PhoneNumber</span></a> (or any <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/PII" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>PII</span></a> for that matter) TO BEGIN WITH!</p><ul><li><a href="https://infosec.space/tags/BDSG" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>BDSG</span></a> literally bans such unnecessary data collection per law!</li></ul>
Kevin Karhan :verified:<p><span class="h-card" translate="no"><a href="https://ioc.exchange/@Avitus" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">@<span>Avitus</span></a></span> <span class="h-card" translate="no"><a href="https://udongein.xyz/users/lispi314" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">@<span>lispi314</span></a></span> <span class="h-card" translate="no"><a href="https://mastodon.laurenweinstein.org/@lauren" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">@<span>lauren</span></a></span> <em>THE <a href="https://ioc.exchange/@Avitus/114000090435386785" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">REQUIREMENT</a> FOR A <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/PhoneNumber" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>PhoneNumber</span></a> BY <span class="h-card" translate="no"><a href="https://mastodon.world/@signalapp" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">@<span>signalapp</span></a></span> IS LITERALLY THE PROBLEM!</em></p><ul><li><a href="https://infosec.space/tags/KYC" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>KYC</span></a> <em>IS</em> THE ILLICT ACTIVITY!!!</li></ul><p>If you gonna say <em>"JuSt GeT aN iMpOrTeD <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/SIM" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>SIM</span></a> / <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/eSIM" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>eSIM</span></a>!"</em> then you obviously expect people to have way more <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/financial" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>financial</span></a> means and <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/TechLiteracy" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>TechLiteracy</span></a> than is needed to get absolute N0obs setup withb#XMPP+<a href="https://infosec.space/tags/OMEMO" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>OMEMO</span></a> <em>and</em> pay for <span class="h-card" translate="no"><a href="https://monocles.social/@monocles" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">@<span>monocles</span></a></span> / <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/monoclesChat" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>monoclesChat</span></a>!</p>
Kevin Karhan :verified:<p><span class="h-card" translate="no"><a href="https://udongein.xyz/users/lispi314" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">@<span>lispi314</span></a></span> <span class="h-card" translate="no"><a href="https://mastodon.laurenweinstein.org/@lauren" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">@<span>lauren</span></a></span> Not.only.that, but with a <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/PhoneNumber" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>PhoneNumber</span></a> it makes it trivial to get details from <span class="h-card" translate="no"><a href="https://mastodon.world/@signalapp" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">@<span>signalapp</span></a></span> targeting a known individual.</p><ul><li>And with the prevalence of <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/Govware" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>Govware</span></a> and the fact that there is <em>literally no <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/LegitimateInterest" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>LegitimateInterest</span></a></em> since <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/Signal" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>Signal</span></a> abandoned <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/TextSecure" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>TextSecure</span></a>, it's yet another design flaw that is beibg <em>intentionally kept</em> instead of fixing it <em>at all</em>!</li></ul>
Kevin Karhan :verified:<p><span class="h-card" translate="no"><a href="https://udongein.xyz/users/lispi314" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">@<span>lispi314</span></a></span> <span class="h-card" translate="no"><a href="https://hachyderm.io/@dalias" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">@<span>dalias</span></a></span> <span class="h-card" translate="no"><a href="https://mastodon.laurenweinstein.org/@lauren" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">@<span>lauren</span></a></span> </p><p>Not only that, but <span class="h-card" translate="no"><a href="https://mastodon.world/@signalapp" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">@<span>signalapp</span></a></span> being.located in <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/Trumpist" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>Trumpist</span></a> <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/USA" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>USA</span></a> means they gotta have to follow said laws and that means if flexed upon using <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/FOSTA" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>FOSTA</span></a> &amp; <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/SESTA" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>SESTA</span></a> or god forbid made-up claims to commit <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/TransGenocide" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>TransGenocide</span></a> and prosecute <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/Trans" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>Trans</span></a> minors and/or their parents and/or medical professionals, <em>THIS WILL BLOW UP IN THEIR FACES</em> like a grenade used as ball gag and fuse pulled!</p><ul><li>It's absolutely trivial to <a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wVyu7NB7W6Y" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">abuse</a> <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/Govware" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>Govware</span></a> <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/Backdoors" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>Backdoors</span></a> and thus track people down. <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/Signal" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>Signal</span></a> by design and architecture <em>WILL BE COMPLICIT IN IT</em>!</li></ul><p>For comparison: <span class="h-card" translate="no"><a href="https://monocles.social/@monocles" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">@<span>monocles</span></a></span> doesn't demand <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/PII" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>PII</span></a> like a <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/PhoneNumber" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>PhoneNumber</span></a> or anything at all and if you don't trust them either (which is fair - <em>never trust anyone, neither Signal nor <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/monocles" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>monocles</span></a> nor me!</em>) you can not only <a href="https://github.com/greyhat-academy/lists.d/blob/main/xmpp.servers.list.tsv" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">choose from various providers</a> but literally <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/SelfHost" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>SelfHost</span></a> your own (even as an <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/OnionService" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>OnionService</span></a> on <span class="h-card" translate="no"><a href="https://mastodon.social/@torproject" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">@<span>torproject</span></a></span> / <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/Tor" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>Tor</span></a>) and thus have full control of all the comms.</p><ul><li>And I'd rather recommend <span class="h-card" translate="no"><a href="https://infosec.exchange/@micahflee" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">@<span>micahflee</span></a></span> 's <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/OnionShare" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>OnionShare</span></a> over Signal just because that's even simpler and basically <em>"fully decentralized"</em> and <em>"<a href="https://infosec.space/tags/serverless" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>serverless</span></a>"</em> that it's even more flexible.<a href="https://onionshare.org" rel="nofollow noopener" translate="no" target="_blank"><span class="invisible">https://</span><span class="">onionshare.org</span><span class="invisible"></span></a></li></ul>
Kevin Karhan :verified:<p><span class="h-card" translate="no"><a href="https://mastodon.laurenweinstein.org/@lauren" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">@<span>lauren</span></a></span> I disagree as <span class="h-card" translate="no"><a href="https://mastodon.world/@signalapp" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">@<span>signalapp</span></a></span> <em>requires</em> a <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/PhoneNumber" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>PhoneNumber</span></a> = <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/PII" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>PII</span></a> &amp; cost barrier and they restrict access based off <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/PhoneNumbers" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>PhoneNumbers</span></a>.</p><ul><li>Plus it's illegal in an increasing number if juristictions to gmeven attempt to acquire a phone number or SIM anonymously.</li></ul><p>Whereas it's so easy and fast to get <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/TechIlliterates" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>TechIlliterates</span></a> setup with <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/XMPP" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>XMPP</span></a>+<a href="https://infosec.space/tags/OMEMO" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>OMEMO</span></a> (which uninke <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/Signal" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>Signal</span></a> doesn't demand PII!) that I'd challenge you to a <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/speedrun" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>speedrun</span></a> <em>with step-by-step documentation for every <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/TechIlliterate" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>TechIlliterate</span></a> to follow along</em> to setup Signal <em>from scratch</em> vs. me doing <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/XMPP" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>XMPP</span></a>+<a href="https://infosec.space/tags/OMEMO" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>OMEMO</span></a> on <span class="h-card" translate="no"><a href="https://monocles.social/@monocles" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">@<span>monocles</span></a></span> <span class="h-card" translate="no"><a href="https://fosstodon.org/@gajim" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">@<span>gajim</span></a></span>.</p><ul><li>Cuz I did that on <span class="h-card" translate="no"><a href="https://mastodon.earth/@cryptoparty" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">@<span>cryptoparty</span></a></span> / <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/CryptoParty" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>CryptoParty</span></a> / <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/CryptoParties" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>CryptoParties</span></a> quite often.</li></ul><p>Also <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/Signal" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>Signal</span></a> being <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/centralized" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>centralized</span></a> makes it as vulnerable as any other <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/SingleVendor" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>SingleVendor</span></a> &amp; <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/SingleProvider" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>SingleProvider</span></a> solution!</p><ul><li>Whereas even if <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/monocles" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>monocles</span></a> were to shutdown, one could easily switch over to any other provider or <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/SelfHosting" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>SelfHosting</span></a>.</li></ul><p>I'd not count on the <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/Trump" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>Trump</span></a>-Regime not flexing <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/CloudAct" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>CloudAct</span></a> against anyone they deem undesireable!</p>
Kevin Karhan :verified:<p><span class="h-card" translate="no"><a href="https://chaos.social/@ck" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">@<span>ck</span></a></span> <span class="h-card" translate="no"><a href="https://soc.hardwarepunk.de/profile/sven222" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">@<span>sven222</span></a></span> <span class="h-card" translate="no"><a href="https://social.tchncs.de/@kuketzblog" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">@<span>kuketzblog</span></a></span> problem is <span class="h-card" translate="no"><a href="https://mastodon.world/@signalapp" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">@<span>signalapp</span></a></span> is a <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/Centralized" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>Centralized</span></a>, <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/Proprietary" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>Proprietary</span></a>, <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/SingleVendor" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>SingleVendor</span></a> &amp; <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/SingleProvider" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>SingleProvider</span></a> solution that falls under <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/CloudAct" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>CloudAct</span></a> and demands <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/PII" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>PII</span></a> in the form of <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/PhoneNumbers" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>PhoneNumbers</span></a>.</p><ul><li>So even if we'd agree that <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/XMPP" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>XMPP</span></a>+<a href="https://infosec.space/tags/OMEMO" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>OMEMO</span></a> as implememented in <span class="h-card" translate="no"><a href="https://monocles.social/@monocles" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">@<span>monocles</span></a></span> / <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/monoclesChat" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>monoclesChat</span></a> &amp; <span class="h-card" translate="no"><a href="https://fosstodon.org/@gajim" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">@<span>gajim</span></a></span> / <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/gajim" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>gajim</span></a> is bad (and <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/PGP" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>PGP</span></a>/MIME over XMPP isn't good either) there are still better options than <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/Signal" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>Signal</span></a> (i.e. <span class="h-card" translate="no"><a href="https://chaos.social/@delta" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">@<span>delta</span></a></span> / <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/deltaChat" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>deltaChat</span></a> which uses PGP/MIME &amp; <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/IMAP" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>IMAP</span></a>-Push aka. <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/eMail" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>eMail</span></a>) that don't require a <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/PhoneNumber" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>PhoneNumber</span></a>, allow <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/SelfHosting" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>SelfHosting</span></a> and are truly <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/OpenSource" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>OpenSource</span></a> with an <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/OpebStandard" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>OpebStandard</span></a> that allows for <em>real <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/E2EE" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>E2EE</span></a></em> as in <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/SelfCustody" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>SelfCustody</span></a> of all the <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/Keys" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>Keys</span></a>.</li></ul><p>Cuz all the <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/advertising" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>advertising</span></a> of Signal is close to <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/TrustMeBro" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>TrustMeBro</span></a> and I'd not trust in <span class="h-card" translate="no"><a href="https://mastodon.world/@Mer__edith" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">@<span>Mer__edith</span></a></span> to <a href="https://web.archive.org/web/20210606070919/twitter.com/thegrugq/status/1085614812581715968" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">risk jail for users</a>!</p><ul><li>But you do you... </li></ul><p><a href="https://infosec.space/tags/ITsec" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>ITsec</span></a> <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/InfoSec" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>InfoSec</span></a> <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/OpSec" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>OpSec</span></a> <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/ComSec" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>ComSec</span></a></p>
Kevin Karhan :verified:<p><span class="h-card" translate="no"><a href="https://mastodon.social/@dansup" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">@<span>dansup</span></a></span> well, <span class="h-card" translate="no"><a href="https://mastodon.world/@signalapp" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">@<span>signalapp</span></a></span> too is <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/proprietary" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>proprietary</span></a> and <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/centralized" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>centralized</span></a> and peddles a <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/Cryptocurrency" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>Cryptocurrency</span></a> <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/Scamcoin" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>Scamcoin</span></a> named <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/MobileCoin" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>MobileCoin</span></a>:<br><a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tJoO2uWrX1M" rel="nofollow noopener" translate="no" target="_blank"><span class="invisible">https://www.</span><span class="">youtube.com/watch?v=tJoO2uWrX1M</span><span class="invisible"></span></a></p><p>Use <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/XMPP" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>XMPP</span></a>+<a href="https://infosec.space/tags/OMEMO" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>OMEMO</span></a> (i.e. <span class="h-card" translate="no"><a href="https://monocles.social/@monocles" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">@<span>monocles</span></a></span> / <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/monoclesChat" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>monoclesChat</span></a> &amp; <span class="h-card" translate="no"><a href="https://fosstodon.org/@gajim" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">@<span>gajim</span></a></span> / <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/gajim" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>gajim</span></a>) instead!<br><a href="https://monocles.social/@monocles/113925173206088469" rel="nofollow noopener" translate="no" target="_blank"><span class="invisible">https://</span><span class="ellipsis">monocles.social/@monocles/1139</span><span class="invisible">25173206088469</span></a></p><ul><li><p>No <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/PII" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>PII</span></a> (like a <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/PhoneNumber" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>PhoneNumber</span></a>!) required...<br><a href="https://docs.monocles.eu/account/account/" rel="nofollow noopener" translate="no" target="_blank"><span class="invisible">https://</span><span class="ellipsis">docs.monocles.eu/account/accou</span><span class="invisible">nt/</span></a></p></li><li><p>Truly <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/decentralized" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>decentralized</span></a>, <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/OpenSource" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>OpenSource</span></a>, <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/MultiVendor" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>MultiVendor</span></a> &amp; <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/MultiProvider" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>MultiProvider</span></a> <a href="https://github.com/greyhat-academy/lists.d/blob/main/xmpp.servers.list.tsv" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">1</a> with <em>real <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/E2EE" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>E2EE</span></a></em> using <em><a href="https://infosec.space/tags/SelfCustody" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>SelfCustody</span></a> of all the keys!</em></p></li></ul><p><a href="https://infosec.space/tags/Shitcoin" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>Shitcoin</span></a> <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/Signal" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>Signal</span></a></p>
Kevin Karhan :verified:<p><span class="h-card" translate="no"><a href="https://hachyderm.io/@lucasmz" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">@<span>lucasmz</span></a></span> <span class="h-card" translate="no"><a href="https://ioc.exchange/@Avitus" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">@<span>Avitus</span></a></span> <span class="h-card" translate="no"><a href="https://infosec.exchange/@david_chisnall" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">@<span>david_chisnall</span></a></span> the benefit of <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/XMPP" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>XMPP</span></a>+<a href="https://infosec.space/tags/OMEMO" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>OMEMO</span></a> is that there are <a href="https://github.com/greyhat-academy/lists.d/blob/main/xmpp.servers.list.tsv" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank"><em>several providers</em>, including free options</a>...</p><ul><li><span class="h-card" translate="no"><a href="https://monocles.social/@monocles" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">@<span>monocles</span></a></span> also supports <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/Monero" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>Monero</span></a> and <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/CashByMail" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>CashByMail</span></a> for those that can't use <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/PayPal" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>PayPal</span></a>, <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/Stripe" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>Stripe</span></a> or <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/SEPA" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>SEPA</span></a>.</li></ul><p>All <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/PII" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>PII</span></a> incl. <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/PhoneNumbers" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>PhoneNumbers</span></a> can and will be abused by existing governments and <em>if users don't pay, then they are the product and their data is the one to be sold</em>.</p><ul><li><a href="https://infosec.space/tags/KYC" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>KYC</span></a> <em>IS</em> THE <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/IllicitActivity" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>IllicitActivity</span></a> WHEN IT COMES TO <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/ComSec" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>ComSec</span></a>!</li></ul><p>After all, you have the same <em>cost problem</em> with phone numbers. Even if one doesn't pay per line/number and never pay for calls and texts, they still have to top it up to extent validity.</p><ul><li>And again: It's way easier for a government to demand an ID for a <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/SIM" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>SIM</span></a> that works in networks around their country (i.e. <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/Turkey" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>Turkey</span></a> demands registration on a per-<a href="https://infosec.space/tags/IMEI" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>IMEI</span></a> - basis *with <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/ID" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>ID</span></a>) than to tunnel XMPP+OMEMO through <span class="h-card" translate="no"><a href="https://mastodon.social/@torproject" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">@<span>torproject</span></a></span> over <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/EDGEland" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>EDGEland</span></a>-speed <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/2G" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>2G</span></a> networks.</li></ul><p>Plus you relying an <em>unfixably insecure</em> <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/Telephony" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>Telephony</span></a> makes a system inherently unsafer than it needs to be...</p><ul><li>This is how people get caught!</li></ul><p>Also <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/Signal" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>Signal</span></a> is <em>able and willing</em> to use said PII to <em>restrict and ban users</em> and if I were some dissident in Cuba or North Korea or even just Eritrea or Yemen I'd not rely on non-enforcement of <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/OFAC" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>OFAC</span></a> / <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/USML" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>USML</span></a> / <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/ITAR" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>ITAR</span></a> since Signal can obviously distinguish &amp; identify accounts by virgue if their <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/PhoneNumber" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>PhoneNumber</span></a>! </p><ul><li>Always think <em>"How can this be weaponized against someone?"</em> when it comes to <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/privacy" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>privacy</span></a>!</li></ul>
Kevin Karhan :verified:<p><span class="h-card" translate="no"><a href="https://gruene.social/@max" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">@<span>max</span></a></span> <br>To <a href="https://gruene.social/@max/113872018769294131" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">quote you directly</a>:</p><blockquote><p>"[...] easy to use solutions that are at the same time private and secure. [...]"</p></blockquote><ul><li>The fact that <span class="h-card" translate="no"><a href="https://mastodon.world/@signalapp" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">@<span>signalapp</span></a></span> requires <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/PII" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>PII</span></a> like a <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/PhoneNumber" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>PhoneNumber</span></a> which more often than not <em>cannot be legally acquired anonymously</em> makes it not <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/private" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>private</span></a>. </li></ul><p>It is easier, faster, cheaper and overall simpler to get someone setup with <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/XMPP" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>XMPP</span></a> + <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/OMEMO" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>OMEMO</span></a> espechally if they don't have a <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/PhoneNumber" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>PhoneNumber</span></a> and/or <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/ID" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>ID</span></a> to acquire a <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/SIM" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>SIM</span></a>. </p><p>And if you go and say, <em>"Just buy a [insert country here] [e]SIM!"</em> and expect <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/TechIlliterates" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>TechIlliterates</span></a> without a <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/CreditCard" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>CreditCard</span></a>, <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/PayPal" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>PayPal</span></a> or other means of <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/OnlinePayment" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>OnlinePayment</span></a> to fiddle around with some <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/eSIM" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>eSIM</span></a> if not having to get some <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/eSIMcard" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>eSIMcard</span></a> because they can only afford to maintain one SIM and can't spend triple-digits on a new devices then you <em>completely missed the point</em>!</p><ul><li>I can much faster and easier get TechIlliterates setup show them around - either in a <span class="h-card" translate="no"><a href="https://mastodon.earth/@cryptoparty" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">@<span>cryptoparty@mastodon.earth</span></a></span> / <span class="h-card" translate="no"><a href="https://chaos.social/@cryptoparty" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">@<span>cryptoparty@chaos.social</span></a></span> / <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/CryptoParty" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>CryptoParty</span></a> - style <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/classroom" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>classroom</span></a> / <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/seminar" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>seminar</span></a> or 1:1 tutoring than I can <em>legally acquire and activate a new SIM in <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/Germany" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>Germany</span></a></em> [since 07/2017]...</li></ul><p>It's not that I expect anyone to get <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/TechLiterate" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>TechLiterate</span></a> within minutes, but similar to setting up a cordless DECT phone it's something one has to do once in 5 years and just have them put the password in a safe spot to retain...</p> <p>Point is that <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/Signal" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>Signal</span></a> <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/WontFix" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>WontFix</span></a> their setup and that was evidently clear even before <span class="h-card" translate="no"><a href="https://mastodon.world/@Mer__edith" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">@<span>Mer__edith</span></a></span> succeeded <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/MoxieMarlinspike" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>MoxieMarlinspike</span></a>: Their entire operation has a <em>distinct <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/CryptoAG" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>CryptoAG</span></a> stench</em> as it's an <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/unsustainable" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>unsustainable</span></a> <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/VCmoneyBurning" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>VCmoneyBurning</span></a> party!</p><ul><li><a href="https://infosec.space/tags/CloudAct" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>CloudAct</span></a> and the <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/NOBUS" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>NOBUS</span></a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NOBUS#Criticism" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">hegemony</a> ain't something that just got executed now (neither was <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/GDPR" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>GDPR</span></a> &amp; <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/BDSG" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>BDSG</span></a>!)... </li></ul><p>A counterexample on how this could've been done are <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/Tor" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>Tor</span></a>, <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/eMail" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>eMail</span></a> and other <em>truly <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/OpenSource" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>OpenSource</span></a></em> as in <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/MultiVendor" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>MultiVendor</span></a> &amp; <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/MultiProvider" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>MultiProvider</span></a> standards. </p><ul><li><p><em>NOTHING</em> compells Signal to <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Signal_(software)" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">demand PII</a>, run a <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/Shitcoin" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>Shitcoin</span></a> <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/Scam" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>Scam</span></a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Signal_(software)#In-app_payments" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">aka.</a> <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/MobileCoin" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>MobileCoin</span></a> that even seasoned <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/TechLiterates" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>TechLiterates</span></a> and <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/CryptoBros" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>CryptoBros</span></a> <a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0DSGq9FQKU4" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">can't setup properly</a>, and in fact Signal using <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Signal_(software)#Controversial_use" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">phone numbers makes it trivial to discriminate against users and easier for them to identify them</a>!</p></li><li><p>If <a href="https://infosec.space/@kkarhan/113869305765533809" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">my reasoning</a> didn't resonate with you, then try helping i.e. undocumented migrants aka. <em>"<a href="https://infosec.space/tags/SansPapier" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>SansPapier</span></a>|s"</em> to get setup with it without violating laws and/or ToS and/or needing an imported SIM which I'm shure most folks don't have on hand!</p></li></ul><p>Whereas it's trivial to get people setup on <a href="https://github.com/greyhat-academy/lists.d/blob/main/xmpp.servers.list.tsv" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">one of many XMPP servers I've personally tested</a>!</p><ul><li>Not to mention clients like <span class="h-card" translate="no"><a href="https://monocles.social/@monocles" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">@<span>monocles</span></a></span> / <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/monoclesChat" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>monoclesChat</span></a> and <span class="h-card" translate="no"><a href="https://fosstodon.org/@gajim" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">@<span>gajim</span></a></span> / <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/gajim" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>gajim</span></a> are way more user-friendly and unlike Signal can also work perfectly fine over <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/Tor" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>Tor</span></a>, including <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/OnionServices" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>OnionServices</span></a> as endpoints. </li></ul><p>AFAIK Signal doesn't even have an <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/OnionService" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>OnionService</span></a> / <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/.onion" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank"><code>.onion</code></a> for their Website, much less any <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/API" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>API</span></a> enpoints to use it with!</p><ul><li>Them relying on <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/ClownFlare" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>ClownFlare</span></a> is just something that makes them even <em>more <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/sus" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>sus</span></a></em> as there is <em><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cloudflare#Controversies" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">no legitimate reason</a></em> to use a <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/RogueISP" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>RogueISP</span></a> like that.</li></ul> <p>You're free to also provide evidence and supporting data to your arguments, rather then <em>neighsaying</em> against <em>proven to be more secure and reliable [by virtue of decentralization]</em> options like XMPP+OMEMO and/or <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/PGP" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>PGP</span></a>/MIME. </p><ul><li>What gets my blood boiling is the constant <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/disinfo" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>disinfo</span></a> by <a href="https://mstdn.social/@rysiek/113868777937162686" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">Signal</a> <a href="https://mstdn.social/@rysiek/113869169340313254" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">Fanboys</a> like <span class="h-card" translate="no"><a href="https://mstdn.social/@rysiek" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">@<span>rysiek</span></a></span> who sell it like <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/DigitalSnakeoil" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>DigitalSnakeoil</span></a> akin to <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/AntivirusSoftware" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>AntivirusSoftware</span></a>, because it's at best <em>"<a href="https://infosec.space/tags/TechPopulism" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>TechPopulism</span></a>"</em> and at worst <a href="https://infosec.space/@agturcz@circumstances.run/113868748895262202" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">will mislead "TechIlliterates"</a> with a <a href="https://infosec.space/@kkarhan/113868987217053362" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">false sense of security</a>, which in turn puts more users at risk.</li></ul><p>The <em>proper fix</em> is to actually <em>assess the situation</em> and acknowledge the <em>risks and limitations</em> as well as the very nature of communications, which means <em>upgrading later</em> is exponentially more painful, thus getting people <em>properly setup once</em> is way easier.</p><ul><li>Just because <em>WE</em> [ or rather <span class="h-card" translate="no"><a href="https://mstdn.social/@rysiek" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">@<span>rysiek</span></a></span> in this case ] rather <em>privilegued enough</em> to not be <em>hatecrimed in their current location</em> doesn't mean this is the case for everyone. And having places like Signal rely on a <em>"<a href="https://infosec.space/tags/CDN" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>CDN</span></a>"</em> is just another <em>red flag</em> to me because questions like <a href="https://circumstances.run/@agturcz/113866980398547492" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">this one</a> just don't arise with <a href="http://monocles.chat" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">monocles.chat</a> as people can just exercise proper <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/SelfCustody" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>SelfCustody</span></a> and just use Tor!</li></ul><p>Speaking of <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/monocles" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>monocles</span></a>: That business is at least <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/sustainable" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>sustainable</span></a> because it's funded by users <a href="https://store.monocles.eu/produkt/monocles-starter-account/" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">(€2 p.m.)</a> which they can <a href="https://monocles.eu/more/#payment-section" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">pay anonymously</a></p>
Kevin Karhan :verified:<p><span class="h-card" translate="no"><a href="https://labyrinth.zone/users/halva" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">@<span>halva</span></a></span> <span class="h-card" translate="no"><a href="https://a.bloodyno.se/users/lynn" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">@<span>lynn</span></a></span> <span class="h-card" translate="no"><a href="https://tech.lgbt/@deilann" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">@<span>deilann</span></a></span> </p><p>Wrong, as you need a <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/PhoneNumber" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>PhoneNumber</span></a> just to sign up to <span class="h-card" translate="no"><a href="https://mastodon.world/@signalapp" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">@<span>signalapp</span></a></span> / <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/Signal" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>Signal</span></a> and Signal does use that to discriminate against users and restrict functionality.</p><p>And since an increasing number of juristictions don't allow anonymous <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/PhoneNumbers" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>PhoneNumbers</span></a> / mandate <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/KYC" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>KYC</span></a> even for <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/Prepaid" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>Prepaid</span></a> numbers, that Phone Number is not only explicit <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/PII" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>PII</span></a> but also Signal never had any <em>"legitimate interest"</em> to demand one, nor is it <em>"technically necessary"</em> in any shape or form (unlike if they still offered <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/TextSecure" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>TextSecure</span></a> to encrypt <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/SMS" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>SMS</span></a> and used said phone numbers to update, authenticate and exchange Public Keys)...</p>
Kevin Karhan :verified:<p><span class="h-card" translate="no"><a href="https://23.social/@linuzifer" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">@<span>linuzifer</span></a></span> <span class="h-card" translate="no"><a href="https://mastodon.world/@Mer__edith" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">@<span>Mer__edith</span></a></span> I wounder when <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/Signal" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>Signal</span></a> will drop their <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/MobileCoin" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>MobileCoin</span></a> - <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/Shitcoin" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>Shitcoin</span></a> and <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/PII" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>PII</span></a> data collection by virtue or requiring a <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/PhoneNumber" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>PhoneNumber</span></a>...</p>
Kevin Karhan :verified:<p><span class="h-card" translate="no"><a href="https://mastodon.social/@lo__" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">@<span>lo__</span></a></span> <span class="h-card" translate="no"><a href="https://mastodon.radio/@kc3yqi" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">@<span>kc3yqi</span></a></span> <span class="h-card" translate="no"><a href="https://mastodon.world/@signalapp" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">@<span>signalapp</span></a></span> <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/XMPP" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>XMPP</span></a> had way more <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/privacy" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>privacy</span></a> options bz virtue of not requiring anything but an account to login.</p><p>No <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/PII" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>PII</span></a> like <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/PhoneNumber" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>PhoneNumber</span></a> necessary!</p>
Tomasz Dunia<p><strong>🇵🇱 Nowy wpis na blogu! / 🇬🇧 New blog post!</strong></p><p><strong>Signal wprowadza nazwy użytkowników</strong></p><p><a rel="nofollow noopener" class="hashtag u-tag u-category" href="https://blog.tomaszdunia.pl/tag/communicator/" target="_blank">#communicator</a> <a rel="nofollow noopener" class="hashtag u-tag u-category" href="https://blog.tomaszdunia.pl/tag/kod-qr/" target="_blank">#kodQR</a> <a rel="nofollow noopener" class="hashtag u-tag u-category" href="https://blog.tomaszdunia.pl/tag/komunikator/" target="_blank">#komunikator</a> <a rel="nofollow noopener" class="hashtag u-tag u-category" href="https://blog.tomaszdunia.pl/tag/nazwa-uzytkownika/" target="_blank">#nazwaUżytkownika</a> <a rel="nofollow noopener" class="hashtag u-tag u-category" href="https://blog.tomaszdunia.pl/tag/numer-telefonu/" target="_blank">#numerTelefonu</a> <a rel="nofollow noopener" class="hashtag u-tag u-category" href="https://blog.tomaszdunia.pl/tag/phone-number/" target="_blank">#phoneNumber</a> <a rel="nofollow noopener" class="hashtag u-tag u-category" href="https://blog.tomaszdunia.pl/tag/privacy/" target="_blank">#Privacy</a> <a rel="nofollow noopener" class="hashtag u-tag u-category" href="https://blog.tomaszdunia.pl/tag/prywatnosc/" target="_blank">#Prywatność</a> <a rel="nofollow noopener" class="hashtag u-tag u-category" href="https://blog.tomaszdunia.pl/tag/qr-code/" target="_blank">#QRCode</a> <a rel="nofollow noopener" class="hashtag u-tag u-category" href="https://blog.tomaszdunia.pl/tag/signal/" target="_blank">#Signal</a> <a rel="nofollow noopener" class="hashtag u-tag u-category" href="https://blog.tomaszdunia.pl/tag/username/" target="_blank">#username</a></p><p>Autor: @to3k@tomaszdunia.pl</p><p><a href="https://blog.tomaszdunia.pl/signal-wprowadza-nazwy-uzytkownikow/" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">https://blog.tomaszdunia.pl/signal-wprowadza-nazwy-uzytkownikow/</a></p>
Kevin Karhan :verified:<p><span class="h-card" translate="no"><a href="https://social.treehouse.systems/@dee" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">@<span>dee</span></a></span> <span class="h-card" translate="no"><a href="https://masto.es/@concepcion" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">@<span>concepcion</span></a></span> no, it's not!</p><p>1. @signalapp@mastodon.world is a <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/centralized" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>centralized</span></a>, <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/SingleVendor" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>SingleVendor</span></a> &amp; <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/SingleProvider" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>SingleProvider</span></a> solutions.<br>2. <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/Signal" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>Signal</span></a> is subject to <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/CloudAct" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>CloudAct</span></a>.<br>3. You need a <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/PhoneNumber" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>PhoneNumber</span></a> to use it, which is neither free nor usually available anonymously.<br>4. You don't have <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/SelfCustody" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>SelfCustody</span></a> of <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/Keys" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>Keys</span></a>, so like <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/Telegram" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>Telegram</span></a> and <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/WhatsApp" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>WhatsApp</span></a> you can consider claims of <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/E2EE" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>E2EE</span></a> to be <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/marketing" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>marketing</span></a> <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/lies" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>lies</span></a>.<br>5. Signal uses the <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/PhoneNumbers" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>PhoneNumbers</span></a> to restrict or refuse availability of their services to users.</p><p>The only trusly secure <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/Chat" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>Chat</span></a> options are <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/XMPP" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>XMPP</span></a>+<a href="https://infosec.space/tags/OMEMO" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>OMEMO</span></a> &amp; XMPP+<a href="https://infosec.space/tags/PGP" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>PGP</span></a>/MIME which are supported by <span class="h-card" translate="no"><a href="https://monocles.social/@monocles" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">@<span>monocles</span></a></span> / <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/monoclesChat" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>monoclesChat</span></a> and <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/Gajim" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>Gajim</span></a> as clients as well as various XMPP-Servers.</p><p>You can even use them over <span class="h-card" translate="no"><a href="https://mastodon.social/@torproject" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">@<span>torproject</span></a></span> / <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/Tor" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>Tor</span></a> as I do!</p><p>Remember: <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/NotYourKeys" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>NotYourKeys</span></a> = No <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/EndToEndEncryption" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>EndToEndEncryption</span></a>!<br><a href="https://infosec.space/@kkarhan/112002490407077220" rel="nofollow noopener" translate="no" target="_blank"><span class="invisible">https://</span><span class="ellipsis">infosec.space/@kkarhan/1120024</span><span class="invisible">90407077220</span></a></p>
Kevin Karhan :verified:<p><span class="h-card" translate="no"><a href="https://social.treehouse.systems/@dee" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">@<span>dee</span></a></span> If that nude was sent without explicit consent of the reciever then that's likely the reason for the ban if said person reported it.</p><p>Personally, I would NEVER EVER rely on any <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/proprietary" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>proprietary</span></a> and <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/centralized" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>centralized</span></a> <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/singleVendor" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>singleVendor</span></a> / <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/SingleProvider" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>SingleProvider</span></a> <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/Messenger" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>Messenger</span></a> or communications solution.</p><p>Unless one has complete access to the entire Frontend and Backend, consider all claims of <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/E2EE" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>E2EE</span></a> to be <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/marketing" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>marketing</span></a> <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/lies" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>lies</span></a> - espechally from Providers like <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/Telegram" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>Telegram</span></a>, @signalapp@mastodon.world, <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/WhatsApp" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>WhatsApp</span></a> and others that may fall ounder <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/CloudAct" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>CloudAct</span></a> or other types of <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/Cyberfacism" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>Cyberfacism</span></a>. </p><p>Not to mention that the very linkage of a <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/PhoneNumber" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>PhoneNumber</span></a> to a <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/Mesenger" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>Mesenger</span></a> is inherently bad and wrong since those are not only easy to track but usually not available <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/anonymously" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>anonymously</span></a> in every juristiction.</p><p><a href="https://infosec.space/tags/Signal" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>Signal</span></a> itself is extra <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/insecure" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>insecure</span></a> as they <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/restrict" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>restrict</span></a> the availability of their services and App based off the presumed geolocation as per country code.</p><p>AND NO, YOU STILL NEED A PHONE NUMBER TO USE SIGNAL!!!</p><p>Needless to say that <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/XMPP" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>XMPP</span></a>+<a href="https://infosec.space/tags/OMEMO" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>OMEMO</span></a> &amp; <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/XMOO" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>XMOO</span></a> + <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/PGP" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>PGP</span></a>/MIME just work and clients like <span class="h-card" translate="no"><a href="https://monocles.social/@monocles" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">@<span>monocles</span></a></span> <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/MonoclesChat" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>MonoclesChat</span></a> are absolutely trivial to setup and use...</p>
Kevin Karhan :verified:<p><span class="h-card" translate="no"><a href="https://wspanialy.eu/@anedroid" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">@<span>anedroid</span></a></span> <span class="h-card" translate="no"><a href="https://retr0.id/users/retr0id" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">@<span>retr0id</span></a></span> <span class="h-card" translate="no"><a href="https://mastodon.world/@signalapp" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">@<span>signalapp</span></a></span> </p><p>Why would anyone want a <a href="https://mstdn.social/tags/centralized" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>centralized</span></a> <a href="https://mstdn.social/tags/SingleProvider" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>SingleProvider</span></a> solution to begin with?</p><p>To me <a href="https://mstdn.social/tags/Signal" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>Signal</span></a> stinks like <a href="https://mstdn.social/tags/EncroChat" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>EncroChat</span></a> and <a href="https://mstdn.social/tags/AN%C3%98M" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>ANØM</span></a>, because all <a href="https://mstdn.social/tags/centralization" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>centralization</span></a> is bad as it leads to <a href="https://mstdn.social/tags/Enshittification" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>Enshittification</span></a>. </p><p>IOW: Why does it need a fecking <a href="https://mstdn.social/tags/PhoneNumber" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>PhoneNumber</span></a>???</p>