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gyptazy<p>Let's test <a href="https://mastodon.gyptazy.com/tags/Proxmox" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>Proxmox</span></a> 9 (Beta 1).</p><p>Time to test that all automation stuff still works with PVE 9; also ProxLB &amp; Co :) </p><p><a href="https://mastodon.gyptazy.com/tags/opensource" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>opensource</span></a> <a href="https://mastodon.gyptazy.com/tags/ProxLB" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>ProxLB</span></a> <a href="https://mastodon.gyptazy.com/tags/ansible" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>ansible</span></a> <a href="https://mastodon.gyptazy.com/tags/automation" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>automation</span></a> <a href="https://mastodon.gyptazy.com/tags/PVE" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>PVE</span></a> <a href="https://mastodon.gyptazy.com/tags/virtualization" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>virtualization</span></a></p>
gyptazy<p>Proxmox for Enterprises: Imagine DRS-Like Guest Load Balancing!</p><p>ProxLB automatically rebalances VMs &amp; Containers across a Proxmox cluster based on memory, CPU, and local disk usage, and can suggest the best nodes for further automation within CI/CDs. It supports maintenance mode, affinity and anti-affinity rules, and integrates seamlessly with the Proxmox API and ACL system. No SSH, just pure API! The best - it's free &amp; <a href="https://mastodon.gyptazy.com/tags/opensource" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>opensource</span></a> </p><p><a href="https://mastodon.gyptazy.com/tags/Proxmox" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>Proxmox</span></a> <a href="https://mastodon.gyptazy.com/tags/ProxmoxVE" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>ProxmoxVE</span></a> <a href="https://mastodon.gyptazy.com/tags/PVE" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>PVE</span></a> <a href="https://mastodon.gyptazy.com/tags/cluster" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>cluster</span></a> <a href="https://mastodon.gyptazy.com/tags/homelab" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>homelab</span></a> <a href="https://mastodon.gyptazy.com/tags/enterprise" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>enterprise</span></a></p>
gyptazy<p>You often asked me to implement something like <a href="https://mastodon.gyptazy.com/tags/DPM" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>DPM</span></a> in <a href="https://mastodon.gyptazy.com/tags/ProxLB" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>ProxLB</span></a> for <a href="https://mastodon.gyptazy.com/tags/Proxmox" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>Proxmox</span></a> clusters - and it's becoming real! Of course with some safety guards ;)</p><p><a href="https://mastodon.gyptazy.com/tags/virtualization" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>virtualization</span></a> <a href="https://mastodon.gyptazy.com/tags/ProxmoxVE" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>ProxmoxVE</span></a> <a href="https://mastodon.gyptazy.com/tags/PVE" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>PVE</span></a> <a href="https://mastodon.gyptazy.com/tags/opensource" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>opensource</span></a></p>
Wolfensteijn<p>node_name actually means node_name and is not some arbritarily used dangly bit.</p><p>So define it using the correct node name, instead of the presumed vm name...</p><p>But I found it in the end.</p><p><a href="https://urface.social/tags/Nerd" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>Nerd</span></a> <a href="https://urface.social/tags/Pulumi" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>Pulumi</span></a> <a href="https://urface.social/tags/Python" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>Python</span></a> <a href="https://urface.social/tags/PVE" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>PVE</span></a> <a href="https://urface.social/tags/ProxmoxVE" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>ProxmoxVE</span></a> <a href="https://urface.social/tags/HomeLab" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>HomeLab</span></a> <a href="https://urface.social/tags/DevOps" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>DevOps</span></a></p>
guisso<p>Jellyfin rodando lindo no homelab, filminhos baixados com o qbit conteinerizado, habemos home stream:</p><p>- Piratas do vale do silício <br>- Hackers (1995)</p><p><a href="https://bolha.us/tags/jellyfin" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>jellyfin</span></a> <a href="https://bolha.us/tags/pve" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>pve</span></a> <a href="https://bolha.us/tags/proxmox" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>proxmox</span></a> <a href="https://bolha.us/tags/homelab" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>homelab</span></a></p>
Da lazy beardude<p>Force reboot then bam, dnf don't even work. It prints 0x00(NULL) thingies. I tried fsck.f2fs but said something about not finding a superblock.</p><p>I have tried chroot, install packages thru a Fedora live with --installroot to the mountpoint but it'd still print the 0x00(NULL) and says something about a weird syntax.</p><p>Obviously I am tired. The yawning keeps coming every minute. It's almost 8 PM, but you know what? I'll just install proxmox and fall asleep on my chair again</p><p><a href="https://mastodon.social/tags/proxmox" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>proxmox</span></a> <a href="https://mastodon.social/tags/pve" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>pve</span></a></p>
Wolfensteijn<p>Using trial and error to teach myself terraform.</p><p>Equal parts fun and frustrating. Every fix a new error pops up. But I am slowly getting where I want to be. Having something working, and a bigger understanding of what I am actually doing.</p><p><a href="https://urface.social/tags/HomeLab" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>HomeLab</span></a> <a href="https://urface.social/tags/Terraform" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>Terraform</span></a> <a href="https://urface.social/tags/OpenTofu" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>OpenTofu</span></a> <a href="https://urface.social/tags/Talos" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>Talos</span></a> <a href="https://urface.social/tags/Kubernetes" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>Kubernetes</span></a> <a href="https://urface.social/tags/PVE" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>PVE</span></a> <a href="https://urface.social/tags/Proxmox" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>Proxmox</span></a> <a href="https://urface.social/tags/LearningByDoing" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>LearningByDoing</span></a></p>
IkHwan Koo<p>Proxmox VE 강의를 만들기 위한 글감(?) 정리 작업은 한발짝씩 나아가고 있습니다. 오늘 Permission 쪽도 마무리 했구요. 그리고 Basic 과정에서 Proxmox Backup Server(PBS)도 맛보기는 해야할 것 같아서 PBS로 넘어가고 있습니다.</p><p>앞으로 2주간은 부캐인 강사(RHCI) 모드로 전환됩니다.<br>2.22일 이후에 본캐인 글쓴이 모드로 또 찾아뵙겠습니다 ^^</p><p><a href="https://098.co.kr/category/opensource/proxmox-ve/" rel="nofollow noopener" translate="no" target="_blank"><span class="invisible">https://</span><span class="ellipsis">098.co.kr/category/opensource/</span><span class="invisible">proxmox-ve/</span></a></p><p><a href="https://300bps.kr/tags/Proxmox" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>Proxmox</span></a> <a href="https://300bps.kr/tags/ProxmoxVE" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>ProxmoxVE</span></a> <a href="https://300bps.kr/tags/PVE" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>PVE</span></a> <a href="https://300bps.kr/tags/PBS" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>PBS</span></a></p>
Daniel Kuhl 📯<p>Successfully moved from a Proxmox single node server to a two node cluster deployment. Now some HA failover, backup, and recovery tests during the next days. </p><p>Thanks to <span class="h-card" translate="no"><a href="https://mastodon.social/@robertdahlem" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">@<span>robertdahlem</span></a></span> and <span class="h-card" translate="no"><a href="https://social.k3can.us/@me" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">@<span>me</span></a></span> for your useful comments.<br>
<a href="https://infosec.exchange/tags/Proxmox" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>Proxmox</span></a> <a href="https://infosec.exchange/tags/cluster" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>cluster</span></a> <a href="https://infosec.exchange/tags/pve" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>pve</span></a> <a href="https://infosec.exchange/tags/pbs" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>pbs</span></a> <a href="https://infosec.exchange/tags/backup" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>backup</span></a> <a href="https://infosec.exchange/tags/recovery" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>recovery</span></a> <a href="https://infosec.exchange/tags/homelab" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>homelab</span></a></p>
Daniel Kuhl 📯<p>Anyone has experiences with moving from single Proxmox server to a cluster deployment? Any good recommendations or any known pitfalls?</p><p>In my opinion all the Proxmox documentation are not bad but could be more detailed in some cases. </p><p><a href="https://pve.proxmox.com/pve-docs/" rel="nofollow noopener" translate="no" target="_blank"><span class="invisible">https://</span><span class="">pve.proxmox.com/pve-docs/</span><span class="invisible"></span></a></p><p><a href="https://infosec.exchange/tags/Proxmox" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>Proxmox</span></a> <a href="https://infosec.exchange/tags/cluster" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>cluster</span></a> <a href="https://infosec.exchange/tags/pve" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>pve</span></a> <a href="https://infosec.exchange/tags/homelab" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>homelab</span></a></p>
Daniel Kuhl 📯<p>Finally my Proxmox deployment is running with daily backup jobs using Proxmox Backup Server 3.3.2 on my Raspberry Pi. 🎉</p><p>It seems there is no issue with resources, but let‘s keep it running for a week and monitor. 🔎</p><p>Next step will be expanding the deployment with a remote backup location to sync with. ☁️</p><p>I‘m very happy with the build-in encryption option. Restore testing is also one of the upcoming tasks. 📋</p><p><a href="https://infosec.exchange/tags/Proxmox" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>Proxmox</span></a> <a href="https://infosec.exchange/tags/PVE" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>PVE</span></a> <a href="https://infosec.exchange/tags/PBS" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>PBS</span></a> <a href="https://infosec.exchange/tags/Backup" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>Backup</span></a> <a href="https://infosec.exchange/tags/Restore" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>Restore</span></a> <a href="https://infosec.exchange/tags/Encryption" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>Encryption</span></a> <a href="https://infosec.exchange/tags/dataprivacy" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>dataprivacy</span></a> <a href="https://infosec.exchange/tags/rasberrypi" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>rasberrypi</span></a> <a href="https://infosec.exchange/tags/homelab" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>homelab</span></a></p>
Blabla Linux<p><a href="https://mastodon.blablalinux.be/tags/Proxmox" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>Proxmox</span></a> <a href="https://mastodon.blablalinux.be/tags/Backup" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>Backup</span></a> <a href="https://mastodon.blablalinux.be/tags/Server" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>Server</span></a> (<a href="https://mastodon.blablalinux.be/tags/PBS" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>PBS</span></a>) - Utilisez les espaces de noms pour séparer les sauvegardes en provenances de différents nœuds (cluster) <a href="https://mastodon.blablalinux.be/tags/PVE" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>PVE</span></a> sur un même PBS 😉</p>
xyhhx 🔻 (plz hire me)<p>this might be obvious to some, but if you are starting out trying to deploy kubernetes and/or ceph on proxmox (or any hypervisor), and your nodes' primary nics are being routed through something like opnsense or pfsense or whatever, strongly consider bridging a second nic on a different cidr that *isn't* routed and using that for kubernetes/ceph on your virtual nodes. it will make a huge difference</p><p><a href="https://nso.group/tags/kubernetes" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>kubernetes</span></a> <a href="https://nso.group/tags/k8s" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>k8s</span></a> <a href="https://nso.group/tags/proxmox" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>proxmox</span></a> <a href="https://nso.group/tags/pve" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>pve</span></a> <a href="https://nso.group/tags/networking" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>networking</span></a></p>
Wolfensteijn<p>Fun! One of 2 NVME's drives in my PVE install decided to just, well, quit. Or at least disappear from view.</p><p>Hopefully a restart will bring it back, otherwise I will have to do more troubleshooting.</p><p><a href="https://urface.social/tags/Sysadmin" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>Sysadmin</span></a> <a href="https://urface.social/tags/PVE" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>PVE</span></a> <a href="https://urface.social/tags/Proxmox" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>Proxmox</span></a> <a href="https://urface.social/tags/Server" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>Server</span></a> <a href="https://urface.social/tags/DisappearingDisks" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>DisappearingDisks</span></a> <a href="https://urface.social/tags/IT" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>IT</span></a></p>
Laus🐜:FCKAFD:<p>Heute endlich mal auf Proxmox 8 migrieren. Wish me luck. <a href="https://social.tchncs.de/tags/Proxmox" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>Proxmox</span></a> <a href="https://social.tchncs.de/tags/PVE" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>PVE</span></a></p>
Just Launched Games<p>"The Forever Winter"<br>You and your squad must loot the dead to survive under the shadow of terrifying and gargantuan war machines locked in a conflict.<br><a href="https://gamepad.club/tags/TheForeverWinter" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>TheForeverWinter</span></a> <a href="https://gamepad.club/tags/extraction" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>extraction</span></a> <a href="https://gamepad.club/tags/action" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>action</span></a> <a href="https://gamepad.club/tags/survival" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>survival</span></a> <a href="https://gamepad.club/tags/pve" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>pve</span></a> <a href="https://gamepad.club/tags/looter" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>looter</span></a> <a href="https://gamepad.club/tags/gaming" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>gaming</span></a> <a href="https://gamepad.club/tags/videogaming" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>videogaming</span></a> <a href="https://gamepad.club/tags/videogames" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>videogames</span></a></p><p><a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G9LcpoekaLs" rel="nofollow noopener" translate="no" target="_blank"><span class="invisible">https://www.</span><span class="ellipsis">youtube.com/watch?v=G9LcpoekaL</span><span class="invisible">s</span></a></p>
TechnoTim<p>If you're using Proxmox VE, you should be using Proxmox Backup Server.</p><p><a href="https://youtu.be/KxPl8SHREcE" rel="nofollow noopener" translate="no" target="_blank"><span class="invisible">https://</span><span class="">youtu.be/KxPl8SHREcE</span><span class="invisible"></span></a></p><p><a href="https://mastodon.social/tags/proxmox" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>proxmox</span></a> <a href="https://mastodon.social/tags/virtualization" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>virtualization</span></a> <a href="https://mastodon.social/tags/backup" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>backup</span></a> <a href="https://mastodon.social/tags/pve" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>pve</span></a> <a href="https://mastodon.social/tags/pbs" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>pbs</span></a> <a href="https://mastodon.social/tags/opensource" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>opensource</span></a></p>
Just Launched Games<p>"Space Marine 2"<br>Embody the superhuman skill and brutality of a Space Marine. Unleash deadly abilities and devastating weaponry.<br><a href="https://gamepad.club/tags/spacemarine2" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>spacemarine2</span></a> <a href="https://gamepad.club/tags/action" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>action</span></a> <a href="https://gamepad.club/tags/adventure" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>adventure</span></a> <a href="https://gamepad.club/tags/shooter" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>shooter</span></a> <a href="https://gamepad.club/tags/pve" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>pve</span></a> <a href="https://gamepad.club/tags/war" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>war</span></a> <a href="https://gamepad.club/tags/gaming" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>gaming</span></a> <a href="https://gamepad.club/tags/videogaming" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>videogaming</span></a> <a href="https://gamepad.club/tags/videogames" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>videogames</span></a></p><p><a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QHyulqOqV5M" rel="nofollow noopener" translate="no" target="_blank"><span class="invisible">https://www.</span><span class="ellipsis">youtube.com/watch?v=QHyulqOqV5</span><span class="invisible">M</span></a></p>
Tiago F<p>Chupa vemeuére 😛 </p><p>Proxmox VE superou o VMware ESXi em 56 de 57 testes, proporcionando ganhos de desempenho de IOPS de quase 50%. Os ganhos máximos em casos de teste individuais com grandes profundidades de fila e tamanhos de E/S pequenos excedem 70%.</p><p><a href="https://proxve.lat/proxmox-ve-vs-vmware-esxi-um-comparativo-de-performance-usando-nvme-tcp/" rel="nofollow noopener" translate="no" target="_blank"><span class="invisible">https://</span><span class="ellipsis">proxve.lat/proxmox-ve-vs-vmwar</span><span class="invisible">e-esxi-um-comparativo-de-performance-usando-nvme-tcp/</span></a></p><p><a href="https://bolha.us/tags/proxmox" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>proxmox</span></a> <a href="https://bolha.us/tags/pve" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>pve</span></a> <a href="https://bolha.us/tags/opensource" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>opensource</span></a> <a href="https://bolha.us/tags/SoftwareLivre" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>SoftwareLivre</span></a> <a href="https://bolha.us/tags/hypervisor" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>hypervisor</span></a></p>
Barbarossa<p>a thread 🧵 about networking on layer 2 and virtualization hosts:</p><p>At work we are currently running <a href="https://chaos.social/tags/vmware" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>vmware</span></a> <a href="https://chaos.social/tags/esxi" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>esxi</span></a>. Due to <a href="https://chaos.social/tags/Broadcom" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>Broadcom</span></a> we are evaluating alternatives, currently <a href="https://chaos.social/tags/proxmox" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>proxmox</span></a> </p><p>So we spun up a first server in our lab environment, configured a vlan for the management and started looking around. Weirdly (as I know <a href="https://chaos.social/tags/pve" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>pve</span></a> from my <a href="https://chaos.social/tags/homelab" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>homelab</span></a>) we experience irregular network drops in the management interface. 1/</p>